Comment by Flax@feddit.uk on The Pact

Good deities don’t intentionally cause pain and suffering and drag everyone down with them. There’s nothing good about Satan.

I agree, that’s why I said that God, the one who sent locusts and killed innocent children, submerged the world for 40 days killing everyone indiscriminately, and razed Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground, is the evil deity.

Sodom and Gomorrah deserved it, it was made clear in that by Lot existing. Everyone in the flood also deserved it, apart from Noah which is why Noah was saved. The “children” weren’t innocent or else God wouldn’t have killed them.

“Good deities don’t intentionally cause pain and suffering. Unless it’s God, in which case mass genocide and killing children is perfectly justified.”

All of them were perfectly valid circumstances, lol

This makes you stance on abortion even funnier.

We’re not God so we don’t have authority to take a life (unless if it was to save another)

Judging from all your other replies in this thread, your stance is that:

Good deities don’t cause pain and suffering.
God did, but he was justified because they were all evil.
Maybe he killed a bunch of innocent people too, but he sent them to heaven, so it’s fine.

That’s some olympic-level mental gymnastics. I hope that, one day, you’ll think back to this discussion and realize your hypocrisy and free yourself from the religion of a god that has committed genocide multiple times, gatekeeps eternal life behind the worship of an evil entity and threatens all the others with eternal damnation for the only “sin” of not thinking like him.

Killing people is wrong, even if they are evil. It becomes even worse when it’s not a single homicide, but a large scale genocide of people whose majority (but not all) are evil.

Do you realize that you’re justifying genocide on the pretence that people you never knew “deserved it”?

God knew them though. And it wasn’t because of their race, but because of what they did.

Also, how was Sodom and Gomorrah ‘genocide’? It had nothing to do with race

You are living proof that religion is mental disorder and Abrahamic religions should be utterly abolished with extreme prejudice. You are the evil this world needs cleansing of.

I disagree with the notion that religion is a mental disorder. I myself don’t subscribe to religion or the notion of a god, but you need to be careful with how you say things like this as this will feed into christian feelings of persecution. This kind of rhetoric is exactly what the christian god has done. Cleanse the unbelievers because they’re evil. Do not commit the same failure that this other guy is. We can’t commit the same crimes as the proposed yaweh and think ourselves morally superior.

In any genocide, the perpetrators always have a ‘reason’. They’ll always be able to tell you that the people that were killed deserved it, and that it needed to happen, and that the world is now better off etc. etc. But saying it and thinking it doesn’t make it true. God can spew out justification for genocide all day. But why would I just take the word of a murderer? Especially if they are a super-powerful being who no-doubt had all sorts of other options available to them. Why would I take their word that suffering and death and destruction is justified when it is done by them - but not by others? And God doesn’t even bother to attempt to explain or talk about that to me. I just hear it from you, and other fans… which makes it even less reliable.

Intentionally causing pain and suffering is kind of God’s ballpark though.

Have you ever heard of a lil’ book called The Old Testament?

That’s a collection of books. And where does God kill people unjustly?

Well, there’s the Flood and the Ten Plagues (particularly that tenth one) for starters.

Then there’s the various war crimes committed by the Israelites at Jehovah’s explicit instructions (e.g. the genocide of the Midianites in Numbers 31).

Not disagreeing with anything you said, I just find it mildly amusing when people call things war crimes when they took place before the Geneva convention. There was no international agreement on what a war crime is at that time, so technically nothing was a war crime back then. They were free to commit all the genocide they wanted.

The flood spared the innocents (Noah’s family) and the plagues were done because Pharaoh wouldn’t free the slaves, the blood was on Pharaoh’s hands.

God just said to avenge Israel. Moses carried out the rest of the orders.

Nice little qualifier you added there. Cause it’s generally accepted that the God of Abraham ordained killing at least two million people prior to the birth of Jesus Christ. I get the sense that you’re perspective is that if God does it then it must be just and you want to prove anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. If that’s the case, you’re in the wrong place my friend.

The flood sounds quite like collective punishment.

They deserved it. Everyone but Noah, which is why he was saved

The innocents were saved from it

The entirety of the Canaanite genocide. And since Hebrews were Canaanites themselves, that just makes them mass murderers who steal land through violence.

Oh wait …

Never heard of Satan causing any of those things. That’s god’s territory.

If going by Christian theology, literally every atrocity in human history was caused by Satan. Even if fictional, there’s literally no redeeming qualities of Satan

Interesting, so who created the fruit of knowledge? Who then decided that we would die and feel pain? Who flooded the earth? Who took up a bet to torture job? And that’s barely scraping the old testament

Meanwhile, who offered food and water to a starving madman in the desert?

We decided we’d die and feel pain. We deserved the flood, and it was literally satan who tortured Job. satan didn’t even offer Jesus food, he just told Him to turn the rocks into food with His own power.

You missed a very, very important keyword there: “deserved.”

Theologians miss a key point of rational debate where they don’t provide proper definitions and make big assumptions that aren’t great.

Who defines what the “correct” effect of an action is? Who defines what consequence is deserved by a choice? If God is the almighty being, he decides what is right and wrong. In Abrahamic tradition, God defines all of these arbitrary rules and expects humanity to obey them without question. Shit, God ordered Abraham himself to murder despite that supposedly being against the rules.

God is like a kid that holds a magnifying glass focused on an arbitrary point near the anthill. He set up the conditions for us to hurt ourselves according to his arbitrary rules. Why didn’t he tell Satan to fuck off with the fruit? Why did he allow Satan to exist in the first place? If God created everything, then he is responsible for everything by our human logic. So God can fuck right off

Would you rather have free will or be a mindless slave to God?

Huh. I don’t recall being asked if I want to die

Do you want to follow Jesus who will give you eternal life?

“If going by Nazi ideology, literally every atrocity in human history was caused by jews or immigrants.”

I think you have caught the stupid.

Difference is that Jews and Immigrants aren’t a character defined by Nazis. They existed before Nazism

And tinkerbell is a character defined by peter pan.

That would be a more accurate example.

The christian devil probably has its origins in Zoroastrianism (Angra Mainyu), which existed before Christianity.

While Zoroastrianism existed before Christianity, it changed it’s beliefs overtime to follow suit. Such as their holy book, the Avesta, dating to around 500AD with the earliest copy being from the 1300s.

You missed the point.

That god is an evil genocidal maniac.

Are you going to play obtuse all day? I and others have already answered this.

You’re the same guy who wants to eradicate 4 billion people off the face of the planet for disagreeing with you

Yahweh told Adam and Eve not eat the fruit of knowledge. Why and what is bad about the apple of knowledge?

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