“Its not racism its history” yeah, a history of racism.
“It was about states rights!” Yeah, the state’s rights to own slaves.
“It’s a part of our past” yeah, part of our past of being absolute monsters.
“I am still proud of my heritage” I guess you need to have your ass beat into the ground AGAIN, then.
“I am still proud of my heritage.”
Your “heritage” lasted less than five years.
What I find particularly interesting is that the Confederacy only existed for 4 years, meaning to run around with an Obama flag would more historically relevant than this shit.
I also like how people do it in Northern states. I live in Indiana and I see the Stars and Bars all the time. Sometimes with the Indiana state flag. The fools don’t even know what side we were on.
It’s all over in WV. The state that seceded from the Confederacy. And then when confronted they say it’s their heritage.
Mother fucker, what heritage?
Racism. that’s it. ‘Heritage’ is code for racism and ‘family values’ is code for heterosexism
Dude, they have people flying them in Canada. I don’t think there’s much common sense in the folks who publicly display it.
What I find particularly interesting is that the Confederacy only existed for 4 years, meaning to run around with an Obama flag would more historically relevant than this shit.
“Historically relevant” or “historically significant” is really tricky thing to judge sometimes. While Obama’s 2 terms as president meant he was in charge for 8 years vs the Confederacy’s 4, I believe the Confederacy and the US Civil War they caused was more historically relevant than Obama’s 8 years as president.
There’s a whole lot of nasty from the war and immediate fall out we’re seeing feeling today.
one could argue that the prelude to the civil war started before independence, since the Quakers were anti-slavery. even disregarding that, fighting was occuring over slavery for decades prior to the formation of the Confederacy - the famous bit at the tail end of that, “bleeding Kansas”, occured in the early 1850s.
a mere 4 or 8 year length of time is largely inconsequential.
one could argue that the prelude to the civil war started before independence, since the Quakers were anti-slavery. even disregarding that, fighting was occuring over slavery for decades prior to the formation of the Confederacy - the famous bit at the tail end of that, “bleeding Kansas”, occured in the early 1850s.
a mere 4 or 8 year length of time is largely inconsequential.
The US Civil War is more significant than just the penultimate legal question on slavery. It also set the tone for politics for the next 50 years, completely destroyed the population and economy of nearly half the country, and paved the road for some of the most important Amendments to the US Constitution.
Plus the advances in war time technologies, tactics, and medicine weren’t too shabby.
I imagine it’s much like the pride flag, where people make it their whole personality. I fully expect people to be brandishing some form of pride flag in 150 years, though it will probably look even more silly by then.
It’s amusing to me listening to an American talking about people making flags their personality.
This is coming from a country where you can get an american flag on anything you want.
I moved to the US and it still weirds me out how many flags i see in a day
Idk if the Pride flag, something that inherently describes a large part of a person’s identity and is a sign of community, is equatable to the Confederate flag.
It is part of no one’s identity; no one alive was part of the confederacy. No one alive has parents in the confederacy. It is a sign of the Confederate States and their secession from the US over owning slaves; it is a sign of racism.
Its not about it being their personality its the fact that being gay and out IS a form of defiance and existence IS a crime. People in the US are still killing people for being gay. im not even gonnna bring up the countries that are LITEREALLY sending people to death by law for being gay imagine being persecuted for being who you are born. Existing can become a death sentence, so you fight for your right to have peace of mind for you and your community to just live.
Its a fight for live, not a personality trait.
I don’t understand German but it doesn’t mean the language scares me or that I want to ban it.
It has been a little sad watching the evolution of the Pride flag, because the adoption of the rainbow symbol was meant to show that everyone was included. Now the newest versions just show how eager we are to subdivide ourselves, which has made it easier for the conservatives to roll back on the gains the movement made in the 00’s.
I am facinated by what you call subdivison i see as recognition. Thats a very interesting coin were looking at.
I would say to avoid separation and alienation within the community we all have to work for intersectionality and communal empathy.
There’s a reason the same people that fly the confederate flag fly a Trump flag. They like things that last a few years and lose
What did they lose, really? Besides a war, their generals, their free labor, and the value of their money?
Are you seriously arguing that slavery wasn’t profitable for plantation owners?
Aside from being dangerously close to “well actually we were doing the slaves a favor!”, that argument is absolutely absurd.
Do you really think that they couldn’t get more economic value out of enslaved labor than they put in in shitty food and housing? By that logic, the poor poor plantation owners could just barely scrape by on a subsistence income. Does that match up with the lavish estates that we see in the south to this day?
Aside from being illogical it’s also ahistorical - milenia ago the Romans had massive slave-based plantations generating obscene wealth.
… what.
A plantation own has to provide all the things you mentioned to whatever form of labor they’re using (free/paid or slave) either through wages or directly.
It’s much cheaper to provide those things directly, and cheaper still when they’re not in a position to complain about the quality of them.
A slave worked more hours, every single day, while eating the cheapest food available. A slave slept packed into a cheap, tiny, overcrowded shack. A slave couldn’t demand time off, higher wages, or quit. A slave could bring in income when their children were sold.
Everything else aside plantation owners were businessmen. They used slaves because they were the cheapest labor available.
Pride flag, If your family tree is a circle.
