Nothing can justify this.
Edit: You guys aren’t getting this, so I’ll explain it. This was senseless murder. Period. This wasn’t some he said she said left versus right bullshit. Go ahead and say “actually” and go fuck yourself. I’m tired of this ridiculous nerd baiting bullshit. You’re not funny. You’re not witty. You’re not scoring points. Life isn’t reducible to the whims of some shitty sorting hat that rewards you points because you’re not a cunt. This was senseless murder and should be treated as such without stupid fucking dry sarcasm.
Nope it doesn’t. They didn’t rape the women at the music festival because of the Israeli bombs. They did it because they’re monsters and they enjoyed it.
Can we see some proof of these rape claims? I’ve been scouring the news and have found nothing.
If all you people actually cared about Palestinians and didn’t turn a blind eye about all the atrocities committed by Israel the past 70+ years, none of this would be happening now.
You’re removing the all context because you don’t give a fuck about Palestinians and their treatment by Israel. You’re trying to pretend this happened in a vacuum.
Do you know how many thousands of civilians were killed by the allies in WW2? Do you think that was unjustified too?
Nothing against you if you say yes, it’s just about consistency.
Israel is reaping what they sowed.
Maybe not justifiable, but 100% predictable and a direct response to Israel’s illegal actions (and unfortunately, as usual, innocent civilians are the ones who suffer).
The people affected here aren’t “Israel”. They’re just civilians trying to live their lives. Believe me I hate the Israeli govermnet and am very sympathetic to Palestinian soverignty.
NOTHING justifies terrorism. It’s evil and the people who did this are rats
Edit: yeah downvote me you sacks of shit. They raped women next to dead bodies of their friends.
I didn’t see the “they’re just civilians” when Americans justify Hiroshima.
You haven’t looked at lemmygrad.ml then: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2247249
I don’t have a lot to say other than that, I hope the Palestinians will do as much damage to the apartheid state as possible
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
Also:
Someone from federation reported your post for “hate speech”…
So I banned them for being a zionist lol
Why are we still federated with these terrorist supporters?
You’re being downvoted, but a shit tonne of people are justifying the atrocities because it’s againstna people they hate.
I guess the only solution is to evacuate the people that just want to live their lives, and nuke the entire area so it is uninhabitable for the next 200 years.
Not a good idea at all, but maybe it will stop the meaningless slaughter for a bit.
Now if only people cared this much any time the IDF slaughters innocent Palestianians, or journalists, or medics.
The one results in the US moving in a carrier group, Israeli flags being projected on large sights all over the world, an unaminous call to solidarity, immediate termination of any humanitarian aid to Palestinians and preemptive justification of any war crime commited in retaliation.
The other results in checks notes stern words of condemnation followed by business as usual support for the Israeli government.
Perhaps it was a bad idea to host a music festival in occupied territory?
Getting Crimea Beach Vacation vibes.
I mean it is essentially murdering people partying on people’s graves - not proportional but I can’t imagine people didnt know it was a provocation.
Its tragic but I think unless people start calling the Israeli government’s decades of murders and evictions “terrorism” it seems like the press is very much deciding how people should see “Hamas as the sole villain” and I think there’s a certain amount of justified pushback here thats being misinterpreted as “support for Hamas”
IMO from this outlook the entire planet is covered in graves and we all are bad for living our life.
Can you lot stop throwing out the word war crime to try and make things sound worse and get an emotional response.
Killing civilians is not actually a war crime by itself.
Israel does not recognise Palestine as a country or Hamas as a government, so they cannot be legally at war therefore it can’t be a war crime.
Also as far as I’m aware Palestine is not a signatory to any convention on war crimes anyway.
If we put the perpetuators in charge of defining, what constitutes as a crime and what doesn’t, there would be no crime anywhere and never.
If a nations military or other organized fighters are conducting operations the terms and rules for war crimes should apply and the perpetuators and organizers should be held responsible. That goes for Hamas fighters and leaders as well as IDF soldiers and leaders.
Urim has been Israeli since the country came into existence, so I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. Unless your position is that all of Israel is occupied territory, in which case I invite you to take a look at what Palestinians did the moment they gained power over Jewish civilians and imagine that scene repeated across Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
Urim has been Israeli since the country came into existence.
There’s so much propaganda from both sides that I don’t know what to believe about who, but Israel has only been a country since 1948 - that’s after the invention of the Jeep, microwave ovens, Frisbees, jet aircraft, etc.
I’m not aware of the agreement made with Palestine for the land, but I’ve seen enough videos of Israelis near the border, both citizens and uniformed men, throwing Palestinians out of their houses so Israelis could live there. Not to mention the violent acts.
I’m not aware of the agreement made with Palestine for the land
That’s because it was owned by the British. Before them the Ottomans, Romans, and Israelites.
If you want to lawyer around about historical shit, you can, and I can’t stop you. But any decent human being with a fucking soul doesn’t care for your pedantic bullshit when there’s hundreds of innocent people dead on the ground.
1948 is a tricky amount of time.
It’s recent enough that the Palestinians still see the Israelis as recent occupiers, but far enough in the past that the Israelis have had several generations grow up there and see it as their home.
So the Israelis don’t see themselves as occupiers while the Palestinians do.
A 1-state solution is impractical at this point, but a 2-state solution leaves them as bitter enemies with a shared border neither side agrees on.
It’s a hopelessly fucked situation created by people who have been dead for decades, and I don’t think anyone knows a clean way out of it.
The only solutions are for them to share the space, which is pretty much impossible given the hatred, for them to divide the space, which will keep them at way with each other, or to let one side or the other have it all and end up with millions displaced or killed.
But regardless of who is right and wrong and who should be allowed to live there and who shouldn’t, I think we can all agree that murdering innocent civilians is wrong whether Israel is doing it or Hamas.
When Israel commits atrocities, they should be called out. When Hamas commits atrocities they should as well.
All of this brings to question whether or not the West should support Israel as one side. And that’s a hard question to answer. The West created this situation, and really shouldn’t just wash its hands of all responsibility.
As bad as Israel has been, the West can’t really walk away because they would be genocided. It’s been seen time and again that Iran, Hamas, Israel, Jordan, and others are perfectly happy to wipe them out.
I personally think that instead of supplying Israel with weapons the West should have boots on the ground as peacekeeping forces. They should protect Israel AND Palestine from attacks. By supplying Israel, the West is complicit in their attacks on Palestinians and in the establishment of illegal settlements.
The festival was for peace. I bet many of the folks that were shot there supported Palestinians.
