Large difference in employment rates between men and women!

If you compare the employment rates in EU regions, you will notice that the female employment rates still lag behind the male rates in most of the regions.

The EU has set a policy target in this area of halving the gender employment gap from 11.7% in 2019 to 5.8% by 2030.

The green regions shown here are those that have already attained the target.

Source: Eurostat

Interesting that in Germany the East-West divide is very much visible, with the progressive womens role in the former GDR still resulting in good employment rates for women today, whereas countries like Poland with a strong ressurgence of catholicism fare much worse.

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all the green areas in Germany have lower GDP than the yellow parts same with the green part in the Rheinland. And Berlin has a much higher GDP than the surrounding areas and is yellow. I don’t think it’s solely an effect of socialism.

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Why would a lower GDP be indicative of more people working? wouldnt it be the other way round.

Also the social infrastructure in many areas of western Germany is terrible. Many friends of me said that it was simply impossible to get a daycare for the children, or daycare was only until 1 pm and no lunch so the mother had to be at home cooking and could only work part time.

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13 points

Maybe lower GDP could also cause that the salaries are lower and thus families can’t afford to live on one salary.

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3 points

This is the difference, not the employment rate. So maybe they’re more equally unemployed. Maybe men have a higher unemployment rate generally there, bringing them down to meet the women’s rate.

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True but what is the connection between higher GDP and women not working? Also what green part in Rheinland? Berlin could be explained by higher ratio of immigrants and their different family structures.

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Also what green part in Rheinland?

They meant Belgium. Sorry, old German habit.

/s

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Franconia, my favorite 15th district of the GDR /s

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I question the assumption behind this map, which is the idea that men and women must have work at the same rate and anything else is an aberration that needs to be addressed. The issue is more subtle than that.

I’ll speak from the perspective of a father who quit his job to raise his small children, knowing that it is complete career suicide (I worked in tech).

In my view a problem occurs when somebody wants to work and is unable to, as well as when somebody wants to quit working and is also unable to do so. And while there are some general trends where for example women often quit (paid) work for a few years to raise their families, that is only a problem when they would rather not, but this simplistic map (and narrative) doesn’t shed any light on that.

Likewise, how many fathers out there would love to raise their small kids but don’t because they know they will be destroying their careers to a degree that their female peers will not? This map does capture this issue, but the simplistic narrative that women sacrifice their careers to raise their children does not, when in practice the damage to their career is much less than a man doing the same thing.

Want a useful map? Poll people to find out why they are working instead of quitting, rather than having preconceived simplistic assumptions about what β€œis right”.

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Even if I just accept your claim about men taking a worse career hit for leaving the workforce to raise their children…

Why are men taking a worse hit? Sounds like some kind of social injustice.

β€œYou woman will take less of a career hit than I, so you should be the one to stay home and I’ll continue my career”

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Why are men taking a worse hit? Sounds like some kind of social injustice.

I obviously agree, since it affects me personally. But the prevalent narrative around the employment gap is centered about how it affects women, ignoring how it affects men as well, and I’m trying to offer a more complete view.

β€œYou woman will take less of a career hit than I, so you should be the one to stay home and I’ll continue my career”

That speech is very problematic, but how prevalent is it? You could have imagined this alternative:

β€œI want to take care of the kids, and since it’s not a big deal you man will have to keep working even though you also want to raise your family”

It’s made up, but so is yours.

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Jup, it’s pretty bad for all who do not conform to the social expectation.

When a woman has a five year employment gap she is normal. If a man has a five year employment gap it’s suspicious. Saying β€œI raised my kids” should ideally be enough to justify it, but nevertheless that’s five years of experience other men have.

(This is incidentally also the largest factor of the gender payment gap. Both sexes are paid almost the same until children get into the picture. Most likely the woman will stay home and lose years of experience that their partner will get.)

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Are you nuts? Women take a massive hit to their careers just for having the potential to take time to have babies.

Let’s make a different assumption. Let’s assume equal rates of desire for taking time to be with family among men and women. You would then see equal rates of employment between men and women. This map shows that’s not true and so if my assumption is true then there’s a problem for both genders.

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Let’s assume equal rates of desire for taking time to be with family among men and women.

Instead of assuming anything, let’s poll and gather some evidence. How many men/women are employed/unemployed against their choice? What makes them take that difficult decision? What sorts of policies could help more people achieve what they want, rather than somebody else’s preconceived idea of what they should be doing?

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Just fuck colorblind people in particular.

i mean. Who the fuck has thought:" yes thats a perfect contrast for the two sides of the scale"

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Sorry for your blindness but green to red are very standard range colors for numerous things. Weather, heatmaps, elevation… What do you do for those?

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What do you do for those?

I complain about them.

We are living in the year 2023.

Colorblind friendly palettes are not non existend.

https://davidmathlogic.com/colorblind/

Eurostat is an agency doing plots as their business. Professionals should think about coloring.

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Sorry for your gender gap but it is very standard for numerous things: employment, academic success, life expectancy… What do you do for those?

Talk about it so that people are aware of the problem and do something about it.

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2 points

Thumbs up. Thanks for the reminder.

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2 points

Just curious, but do the filters found in accessibility on most phones work at all to visualize this type of graphics?

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FWIW heatmaps often use blue (cold) to red (hot).

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Yes.

Or simply do black/white.

You dont need such non contrast color scales.

The max/min colors are based on their rgb:

85/15/25 %

Vs.

15/30/20 %

Does anyome really think that little shift in the red space is making a lot of contrast?

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Is this EVERYONE who is unemployed, or everyone who is seeking employment but is currently unemployed?

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13 points

According to the subtitle, this map shows total employment rates irrespective of any other factors.

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So, a very misleading map. Why calculate β€œgender employment gap” based on β€œhow many people are working” without factoring in anything else?

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Because it is a good way of measuring gender equality. Basicly it shows how many women stay at home as housewives. Also it takes age into account, so women just living longer and therefore being a majority of pensioners is not an issue.

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How is it misleading? If 90% of working age men are working and only 80% of women, that is a considerable gap and should be adressed. Now comes the step of analyzing the reasons and targeting those specifically.

But already assuming reasons to take out of calculation assumes them to be β€œgood” reasons by default and removes them from being adressed.

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In the dark green areas are there more women employed than men?

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Yes.

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