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The country claiming to have the most “freedom” of any country has the highest incarceration rate of any country.

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Not so fun fact: the constitution allows for slavery as long as it’s a punishment for a crime.

Hmmm… Nah, those dots don’t connect at all.

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And many plantations converted to prisons that are still in operation to this day.

And many states can’t reduce their prison populations because then they’d lose free labor.

And some states use prison labor to staff the governor’s mansion with butlers.

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Here in California, prisoners are employed to fight wildfires.

Until very recently, former prisoners were not allowed to be employed as firefighters when they got out. That was corrected by Newsom in 2020.

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Go read about the nightmare this Angola prison in Louisiana.

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It’s even worse. The original US Constitution does not prohibit slavery. It wasn’t until the Thirteenth Amendment was passed seventy years later - after a Civil War tore apart the country - that slavery was abolished. With the express exception of punishment for a crime. No qualifications for the severity of the crime. And that exception gets frequent use to this day in the penal system

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The original US Constitution is explicitly pro-slavery. Not only does it explicitly require non-slaveholding states to return fugitive slaves to their oppressors, but it has multiple mechanisms intended to ensure the dominance of slave states in the federal government.

The Constitution was never a unified idealist vision of liberty. It was a grungy political compromise between factions that did not agree on what the country should be. These included New England Puritans (religious cultists; but abolitionist), New York Dutch bankers (who wanted the money back they’d loaned to the states), Southern planters (patriarchal rapist tyrants), and Mid-Atlantic Quakers (pacifists willing to hold their noses and make peace with the Puritans and planters).

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There’s a great documentary called 13th about this and racial inequality in America

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Not even just the highest rate. The highest number of incarcerated people! Countries with over 1b people still have fewer prisoners, total.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country

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The Star-spangled Banner (where the phrase “Land of the Free” comes from) was written in 1814, 51 years before slavery was abolished. The idea that America is or ever was the land of the free is a total joke.

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The third verse of “The Star-Spangled Banner” is not typically sung today. It refers to “the hireling and slave” among the foes of the Republic. “The hireling” refers to the mercenaries employed by the British crown in fighting the American revolutionaries. It is unclear whether “slave” is intended to derogate all British subjects as “slaves” of the crown, or if it specifically refers to enslaved Africans who were offered their freedom by the British if they fought against the revolution.

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That’s what Lincoln said! America’s enemies point to slavery and use it to call the ideals of liberty lies.

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The founders didn’t build the free society. They built the society capable of altering itself, and that grew into the free society.

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This is actually not true any longer, El Salvador now has the highest incarceration rate

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Sheesh. Step it up, America

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El Guardador

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Unfortunately this bonkers truth is so mundane at this point, I didn’t need to read passed “freedom”

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… and built its initial wealth on slavery revenue.

It’s a shame because there are a lot of other great things to be proud about when it comes to the US. I guess when people boast about US freedom, what they mean is democracy, and starting the end of the colonial era, inspiring a tidal wave of democratic uprisings around the world, which is accurate. I wish they didn’t use the word “freedom” for that.

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That’s not all that exciting. All of Europe (and basically every other are of the world) was built on slave labor as well, that’s literally what the colonial period was about. Also vikings were primarily about capturing slaves, Rome and Greece were mostly slaves, serfdom wasn’t significantly different than slavery.

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Sure; but it still bothers me that the US is part of it and yet is often associated with freedom by American nationalists. The same way I’m annoyed that France (my native country, I’m a naturalized American) boasts itself the “pays des droits de l’homme” (“the country of human rights”), despite freedom of speech and of religion having gigantic asterisks, even though they feel like such basic human rights to me. It’s just like, if your national identity happens to not be the greatest at something, maybe don’t boast about being the best at it!

But anyway, this leads me to wonder… I feel like US slavery is discussed and depicted in arts a lot more often, and I genuinely wonder why that is. What do you think? Is it just that American culture chooses to address it head on when a lot of others don’t, or do you think there’s more to it?

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Freedom™

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Democracy is a prerequisite for freedom, disenfranchisement, in any form, is a policy failure and should be mitigated.

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15 points

That’s sounds 100% right and is 100% right

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This doesn’t sound false though.

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Yeah, of all the words that can follow the legaly declared prohibition of slavery, except might be one of the dumbest you can pick…

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You see, the trick is to limit “freedom” to certain people. Then, it can easily be the most “free” country in the world (for those people).

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Freedom means guns, and more freedom means more guns. Ur just jealous, commie

sips budlight

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They hate Bud Light too now

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They never stopped drinking it they just pretended to

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Freedom to consume is right there. They don’t specify what freedom right?

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Many companies are making profits off of this. So many states have for profit prison systems and will get fined of they don’t have enough people in those prisons. That is above the free labor most people have talked about.

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Oxford University is older than the Aztec empire.

Oxford University founded in 1326, Aztec empire ~1428-1521

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Don’t mean to pick, but Oxford was founded in 1096 and Cambridge in 1209.

I worked for cambridge in 2009 and got a nice little 800 year badge

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Thats 900 years dumbass

Edit: you got epic trolled by summzashi!!!

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That edit is the saddest part about this

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Why are you so rude?

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2009-1209=800 Big oof there

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You really need to be nicer to people here or you will probably get banned by someone sooner or later. People are trying to get away from the reddit atmosphere here. Don’t act all superior because you spotted a mistake. That’s really childish.

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Dude, delete it and try to forget, nobody is buying your excuse. You called someone dumb for making a mistake, despite it being you who made the error while OP was bang right.

It’s very embarrassing mate, you can try to style it out all you want and a couple 10 yr olds might buy it but not much more than that.

Personally I think you’d do best deleting the comment and trying to forget that you were just that stupid once upon a time :) x

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17 points

Fucking idiot. Can’t do math but quick to jump on the chance to try to correct someone.

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9 points

Who’s dumbass now?

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I got it man. Some people just don’t get how the making of a super obvious mistake is a satire of the kind of confidence you’re putting forward.

It’s weird because it’s like they can’t recognize when an error is so egregious it couldn’t be a genuine error.

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unfunny sthu

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And some of the colleges of Oxford University are older than the university. Merton College was founded in 1264.

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Wait, you’re saying that the Aztec empire was just 64 years old when Columbus discovered America and ships with conquistadors followed to butcher and enslave everyone?

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Yeah, I’ve heard similar things in the past and I’m always confused by it.

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There were people there prior to the Aztec empire conquering them. The Aztec empire is just a specific government that ruled the area at that specific time.

The Napoleonic empire, for comparison, only lasted 1804-1815 (with a hole in the middle).

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My local pub is older than the USA.

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As an American who lived in England for a couple years, that always just fascinated me. Some places just legit felt like I’ve stepped back in time.

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Cleopatra lived closer in time to us than the construction on the great pyramids.

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213 points

Lighters were invented before matches! 1823 vs 1826

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So why did anyone use matches then? Was it just more economically viable?

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If you’ve ever played around with an old-style lighter (think classic Zippo) you’d get it! They’re fairly expensive, and aren’t airtight so they need to be refilled every few days/weeks. If you fill them too much they need to be kept upright or they’ll spill lighter fluid on you. Super cool and can hold flames for a while but not nearly as conventient as a matchbook for quick fire lighting

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It just occurred to me that zippos are basically the same type of oil lanterns that we’ve been using for thousands of years

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Although, if you use them a lot (like, a couple packs a day “a lot”), you get good at filling them the right amount, and it’s just something you do.

Zippos are pretty fantastic for cigarette smokers. They’re horrible for someone who just want to carry fire around in their pocket “just in case.”

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you are loved and deserve happiness

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Oh, I have two good ones:

  1. Nuclear power causes less deaths (per energy unit produced) than wind (source)

  2. You get less radiation when living near a nuclear power plant, than if that nuclear plant hadn’t been there.

To explain the second: A major misconception is, that nuclear power plants are dangerous due to their radiation. No they aren’t. The effect of radiation from the rocks in the ground and the surroundings is on average 50x more than what you get from the nuclear power plant and it’s fuel cells. (source). Our body is very well capable of dealing with the constant background radiation all the time (e.g. DNA repairs). Near a power plant, the massive amounts of isolation and concrete will inhibit any background radiation coming from rocks from that direction to you. This means, that you’ll actually get slightly less radiation, because the nuclear plant is there.

Regarding the dangers of nuclear disasters. To this day, it’s been very hard to find out, if at all any people have even died to Fukushima radiation (ans not other sources such as tsunami/earthquake/etc.) Nuclear radiation causes much more problems by being an emotionally triggering viral meme spreading between people and hindering it’s productive use and by distracting from the ironic fact, that the coal burned in coal power plants spew much more radiation into the atmosphere than nuclear power plants themselves. (source)

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To this day, it’s been very hard to find out, if at all any people have even died to Fukushima radiation (ans not other sources such as tsunami/earthquake/etc.)

Truly no offense, but this is sort of burying the lede on Nuclear Power risks. Mathmatically coal releases more radiation - no question. It’s also hard to pin down how many died due to Fukushima for ver good reasons: Correlation might be easy, but determining cause is ultra tough and no right-minded scientist would say it without overwhelming evidence (like they had something “hot” that fell on their roof and didn’t know it for a long time). Also? They aren’t dead yet. So we look to statistical life span models crossing multiple factors (proximity, time of exposure, contaminated environments and try to pin down cancer clusters attributable, and people can live for decades, etc…

The problem is that people rightly are concerned that in both Fukushima and Chernobyl (and 3 Mile for that matter) unforseen circumstances could have been catastrophically worse. You blow up a coal plant? You expose a region locally to it and it’s probably “meh”. You blow up a nuclear plant, and you get melt down corium hitting ground water or sea water with direct exposure to fissioning material and all the sudden you have entire nations at risk for subsequent spewing of hot material that will contaminate food supplies, water resevoirs, and linger on surfaces and be pulled into our lungs once it’s in the dirt. Radioactive matieral is FAR more dangerous inside the body when you eat plants and animals that are exposed and pull it from the ground. Even cleaning down every surface, eventually you’ll get some of it airborn to be breathed into our lungs again with wind storms, flooding and other natural erosion. The consequences are exponentially higher with Nuclear accidents and ignoring that is whitewashing. And that’s not even getting into contamination from fuel enrichment, cooling ponds/pools leaking water, or the fact that it will take 30-40 years to clean up Fukushima (and they aren’t sure how exactly that will happen and there could be another tsunami). Probably hundreds to try to clean up and contain Chernobyl - and given the current state of affairs we may find out even worse.

BTW, I’m pro-nuclear. Thorium salts seem a good way to go and we probably would already have these if not for the nuclear arms race making nations hungry for plutonium. Please don’t short sell everyone’s intelligence because you can claim “only” a handful of people died due to Fukushima. Direct death is only one facet. Lives were disrupted (and displaced) and for a while there, the impacts spread to the US across the Pacific and there were discussions of evacuating like 1/3 of Japan’s population outside an exclusion zone. You can be pro nuclear while still acknowledging that some fears are real and well founded, and unfortunately the industry has proven gaps in safety that make it harder and harder to argue when we have Solar and Wind and rapidly ramping power storage. Nuclear is likely to simply be outcompeted over time (just like Coal and NG).

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Iv read about Thorium the last 3-4 years and it seems so promising. Im really disapointed that the push is not greater as it would make everything a lot more safe.

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Additional fun fact. There has been a lot of research and activity dedicated to potentially switch coal power plants to nuclear. Currently, they cannot do it, because the coal plants and all the equipment associated produces far more radiation than regulations allow a nuclear plant to emit.

Therefore, unless they could find a practical way to decontaminate the radiation away from existing coal equipment, or regulations change for transformed plants, they can’t do it.

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Did you know, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s only mandate is to ensure the safety of nuclear power, not to promote its implementation. Many regulatory bodies have a dual mandate to stop them from just shutting down what they’re supposed to regulate.

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Can’t be unsafe if it doesn’t exist lol

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Not just that, but you might get less radiation swimming in the pool where spent nuclear fuel rods are stored than outdoors.

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Haha, that’s a nice explanation

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What are you trying to say by linking this article?

I mean, it even says that it was a mechanical issue - and the radiation danger was low. And even then, it’s just a single person. Looking at the bigger picture, the numbers game favors nuclear+wind+solar over fossile.

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Just found it coincidental that today someone died from radiation at a nuclear power plant. It does not happen that often.

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Nuclear power is actually the cleanest way to produce energy. The waste from replacing solar panels and windmills (which have a service life only three to five years) is actually more of a problem than the waste from spent fuel rods. Plus environmental impacts from fuel rod production are less than solar panel and windmill production. The problem with nuclear energy happens when things go wrong. It would have to be absolutely accident free. It never has been and never will be.

Though they’re on the right track with nuclear power. Fusion would be ideal, runs on seawater (fuses deuterium/tritium) and if there’s a problem you simply shut off the fuel. Problem is insurmountable engineering issues, we just don’t have tech for it yet (need anti-gravity). They’ve been working on it for many decades and progress has been painfully slow.

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Windmills last much longer than five years. They generally last 20-25. Wherever you heard that bullshit number from, ignore all the other info you got from them.

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Not only windmills, but also every for of alternative energy production.

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Wind turbines do not have a service life of 3 to 5 years. Where did you hear that?

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Even when things go wrong, it’s not as bad as with the other classic fossile energy sources. Exactly this calculation is included in the world in data source on deaths per kWh which I linked.

When we have car accidents normalised, massive climate change, air pollution from fossile fuels, then even the occasional nuclear accident isn’t really a problem.

The problem is, that these accidents get much more attention than they deserve given how many deaths are caused by fossile fuels. When calibrating for deaths, fossile fuels should get around 100x the attention

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