Ask some people why Windows Vista failed and they will tell you that most of the problem came from hardware compatibility. I don’t remember ever having problems with Vista back when I used it. Then again I was running it on a brand new computer with the OS in question preinstalled.

And that’s another thing, I think you’re pretty much expected to upgrade your hardware at least every few years. I’d like to think that the people who had problems with Vista kept the same white-box PC they’ve had since 98SE, or even 95. Vista ran great if you had the right hardware. Maybe if Microsoft had optimized their OS even for XP-era machines it would have seen greater adoption.

I also really liked the Aero glass theme, it made younger me feel like I was in the future. Those gadgets at the side of the desktop were pretty cool too. Overall I think it was definitely ahead of its time, and with support for current software and hardware, would have been a solid choice for average computer users today.

2 points
*

When people say Vista was bad, they’re not talking about the operating system itself. They’re talking about the user experiance and context at the time:

  • Most people forget we were all on the cusp of switching from x86 hardware to AMD64. It was a relatively easy transition, but it was a jump that provided some hard hurdles (drivers) everyone had to jump together. Some things were not automatically compatible. You would likely have to throw away some piece of otherwise perfectly functional hardware to upgrade. People didn’t like that.

  • Also, we were also switching from single core to multiple-core computing. Software had to be written to specifically take advantage of this and often it wasn’t. So even if you had the latest and greatest hardware, the performance gains were often disappointing.

  • The driver models had to change because Win XP was a security nightmare for most people. Browser security had completely been neglected by Microsoft in favor of pushing their ActiveX controls in IE6 and IE7. The entire security model had to change, but the UAC prompts were absolutely out of control. Still, it really was better than getting wrecked by malware.

  • microsoft pushed new file formats with Office 2007 for absolutely hostile reasons and also transitioned to the ribbon interface. These might have been technical improvements, but they were more compatibility hoops people had to jump through that they were frustrated by.

  • Apple was thriving. iPods were in everybody’s pockets and the first iPhone had launched at exactly the same time and was changing how people thought about computers. Vista was “more of the same” in all the wrong ways. Where was the innovation? Gmail launched in 2004, why couldn’t Microsoft make a competing offer?

  • Finally all the cool, futuristic features that had been hinted at with Windows Longhorn were cut from Vista. If you were someone who followed those things, Microsoft over-promised and under-delivered.

Ballmer-led Microsoft had mismanaged their core products for years and it all came to a head with Vista. The consumer frustration was palpable and coincided with several architecture and forced UI changes that really made it hard for people to fall in love with Vista. Individually each problem wouldn’t have been a deal breaker but swallowing all the required pills at once left a sour taste in people’s mouths and had them looking at alternatives. It’s no coincidence that macbook and netbook sales rose sharply over the next few years.

permalink
report
reply
1 point

Vista made me switch to Mac back then.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

Look man, Vista was a complete piece of shit in every measurable way.

Even if you hand wave away the fact that most important hardware/software didn’t work with it and yes you could get stable hw going…

And give it that the gadgets were pretty cool, akin to my widgets on Android…

The entire thing was a misbegotten disaster of design and implementation. And from a business perspective, they rammed it down everybody’s throat a year before it was even remotely ready. Hardware partners, manufacturers, software developers, not just end users got fucked hard. Most people ended up with steaming lumps of shit that could open a web browser if they were lucky, and maybe use their recipe software.

People forget what Apple was doing with the Mac UI at that time, and Microsoft, decided to sell the sizzle of that, forgetting that they don’t know how to do that. And it was such a internal cluster fuck It was literally never going to be finished unless it got shoved out the door.

It was one 1/2 baked idea layered on top of the next.

And you know it.

permalink
report
reply
20 points

The UAC prompts were over the top. To me that was the worst part. They were toned down to a more reasonable level in every version after. But I agree otherwise.

permalink
report
reply
4 points

Seems like vista would always ask you 2 or 3 times if you were sure you wanted to open that text file you just created. Vista was ugly too. It was insulting the amount of system resources it used to look that bad. I feel like Vista was also the beginning of Windows trying to integrate into everything you did, rather than just provide a smooth reliable and concise way for you to use your software.

All that being said, Vista looks pretty good compared to 11. At least Vista has a consistent feel to the settings, and the fucking control panel works.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

If you had modern hardware and installed the x64 version it was very good.

permalink
report
reply
28 points

Yeah, I’m no MS fanboy at all, but Vista really wasn’t that bad.

Most of the complaints were because of crappy hardware manufacturers putting out systems that were only meeting the minimum specs to run Vista. Those “Walmart special” PCs usually had 512 MB RAM and a low-quality Seagate drive. That, and hardware vendors with crappy driver support.

Once it booted to the desktop, your 512 MB was gone. As soon as you try to launch an application, it would start swapping nonstop to disk and everything just crawled. That put a lot of wear and tear on the disk which eventually failed because it was low quality to start with.

I worked in a repair shop back in Vista’s heyday, and the fix was always the same: Give it at least a GB of memory, replace the failing Seagate drive, reinstall, and it ran like it should have when it was new.

permalink
report
reply
6 points

This one. Most systems in the spec didn’t have the RAM to run aero effectively, and ran like shit. If you had 1-2GB of RAM, it worked fine; just you had less of that RAM available to allocate to the same apps that worked great under XP. If you were lucky enough to have a 64-bit processor, Vista was actually pretty nice, compared to the XP 64-bit edition and the driver nightmare that entailed.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

All that. I ran the Saturn pre-release and it was a damned nightmare for resource hogging.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Unpopular Opinion

!unpopularopinion@lemmy.world

Create post

Welcome to the Unpopular Opinion community!


How voting works:

Vote the opposite of the norm.

If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it’s something that’s widely accepted, give it an arrow down.



Guidelines:

Tag your post, if possible (not required)
  • If your post is a “General” unpopular opinion, start the subject with [GENERAL].
  • If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].


Rules:

1. NO POLITICS

Politics is everywhere. Let’s make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.


2. Be civil.

Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Please also refrain from gatekeeping others’ opinions.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...

Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.


5. No trolling.

This shouldn’t need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.



Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

Community stats

  • 2.6K

    Monthly active users

  • 505

    Posts

  • 19K

    Comments