Mazda is angry a customer used an API in a manner they couldn’t control. You can read the DMCA takedown notice here.

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Just start charging exorbitant amounts of money for every API call; problem solved! —Spez

(Also: Fuck Spez)

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18 points

Sadly it would end the same like with reddit or netflix: The loss due to the amount of pissed-off and leaving customers is obviously way less than the gain due to the ignorant or root-problem-agnostics. Makes me a sad panda…

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141 points

This will be over soon. When the EU’s Data Act comes into force, car manufacturers will be obliged to allow access to vehicle data.

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78 points

Also isn’t it Mazda’s fault for creating an API that anyone can access and get information from? Someone in Mazda IT is probably frantically looking for the email chain where he was told to “just make it public” so our outside analysts can use it.

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21 points

I think yes, assuming nobody grabbed an API key out of the Mazda app or something.

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8 points

Quite often these integrations just take the authentication token or cookie during OAuth or the normal login process.

Actions like that would be impossible with WEI.

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8 points

A huge project at my work got pushed back because a company we are working with decided to make the API public…

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9 points

In Europe.

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6 points

And if available in Europe, do you think that information will not appear elsewhere? Mazda is not going to create a separate API for them alone.

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2 points

Content providers already block access to content based on locale. It won’t be hard to have a flag in the API that turns off functionality based on the callers location.

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4 points

They’ll always find new ways to fuck you over

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And then they’ll get sued, when that leads to cars getting hacked. I don’t know if that’s gonna work out in the long run. Car companies are likely to band together to prevent this or make lawful exceptions for themselves in the space.

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136 points

This doesn’t make any sense. API requests are not proprietary.

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134 points

Yep, this looks like a blatant abuse of the DMCA by Mazda. Either Mazda is engaging in scummy behavior or they need better lawyers. Either way, it makes me want to never buy another Mazda.

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5 points

I’ve already added them to my internal list of bad actors I won’t work with.

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That doesn’t stop anybody. Just this morning Amazon sent out a wave of C&Ds because people were using their public APIs to access “proprietary data.”

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46 points

So, they mad b/c of an internal skill issue.

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15 points

O they mad

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41 points

“How dare you use our public APIs that we made available publicly for others to use!”

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33 points

looks sternly at Amazon

Then why is it available?

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6 points

“Move fast, break things, lawyer up

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5 points

Because fuck you, that’s why it’s available.

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4 points

Hahahahha holy shit how did that get past legal

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59 points

It reads to me like: “this app does the same thing as our app therefore they must have copied our code; there is no other possible explanation”. Cool story, bro. I hope the developers will fight back but that takes lots of money.

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35 points

The article states this was a hobby of his and he won’t be defending it as it would entail financial cost of mounting a legal defense.

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12 points

There goes that rigged system again.

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15 points

So what? They have more money, they decide what is legal or not.

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113 points

I didn’t really get it until I read the article (shut up 😃), but it seems pretty clear that Mazda’s primary concern here appears to be access to this API through Home Assistant cutting off future (maybe current) owners’ requirement to subscribe to their app for features.

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91 points

man, remember when you could buy a car and it wasnt connected to the internet?

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61 points

Remember when you could buy a car and it was yours?

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24 points

John Deere doesn’t

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3 points

Remember when you could download a car?

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8 points

Pepperidge farms remembers.

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47 points

What a load of horse shit.

Just like with hue, and Chromecast, and Android TV, and a million other smart devices, it’s perfectly lawful (and IMHO necessary) for individuals to launch their own integrations with their the products they own. People don’t need their bullshit “service”, and by buying the vehicle they have a legally protected right to alter it and it’s software for their own use.

That they bullied this guy into taking down the repo despite what the law protects him to do is disgusting, if not also predictable.

I hope someone with the time and resources goes to the matt with one of these shit companies and make them own up to their exploitative practices.

I for one will be altering my Mazda how I want and sharing my alterations to get around their shit subscription model with everyone I can.

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38 points

God forbid. Wouldn’t want users to find any of this useful in novel ways. Because that never makes a product popular or anything. And Mazda might lose hundreds of dollars or something. Gasp.

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16 points

Pretty soon we’ll have to subscribe to our car’s trunk.

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12 points

BMW on the line for you, sir.

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5 points

How far can americans go in their struggle against small mailboxes? I mean, what other solution is there, with their huge, largely-empty front lawns, than to use a car to accept the packages?

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71 points

Eh, it’s preferable when companies go ahead and self-identify as being comprehensively dog shit and worthless.

Just another company to throw on the list who will never receive a single dollar of my money as long as I live.

Won’t lose a wink of sleep over it. Good luck, Mazda.

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38 points

What do you do when they all do it, though?

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11 points

Buy a dumb car again, as long they’re still around 😊

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7 points

Motorcycle?

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1 point

SYM MaxSym 600i ABS, this 565cc maxi-scooter is the first to launch from a green light in cities and has nothing to be ashamed of on highways since it can do 160 kph with some spare power still remaining.

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I’ll move closer to the city and walk or use public transit.

Frankly, that’s unlikely. The free market will always make sure someone is there to disrupt, and I’ll always support the disruptor.

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8 points

It’s already happening lol. There are no privacy-friendly modern cars.

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3 points

I supported the disruptor to cable so hard they became the thing they disrupted and now I don’t have netflix

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2 points

Perhaps for chapter consumer products, but starting a car company that produces normal mass produced cars is not really done overnight. And Tesla produces the most shite cars of all of them only really disrupting by cutting out customer service at this point.

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Disrupters like Tesla?

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When that happens, someone appears to make their version of the product without it.

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4 points

That’s, that’s simply not true

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7 points

Yep. I wouldn’t want to make it into a list but bmw and mazda are already on my blacklist

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Yep Mazda is my first auto maker blacklist… I’ve got Sony at the top from numerous incidents around 2004-2006, and Google since 2016. (obvs can’t get 100% away from Google because they keep buying companies, but I only need to get rid of my Nest and Fitbit shit to be completely google-free!)

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