Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a briefing early Wednesday morning that no Israeli strike, either by air, land or sea, occurred near Al-Ahli Arab Hospital at the time of the deadly explosion. He added that drone footage, radar information and a recording of Gaza militants indicate a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket was responsible.
He said the Israeli military would soon publish the radar info, footage and a recording of militants in Gaza assigning blame to Islamic Jihad, a group aligned with Hamas. All the information, Hagari said, would be given to President Biden as part of a “full briefing” when the U.S. leader arrives in Israel Wednesday.
Palestinian Ambassador to the U.N. Riyad Mansour accused Israel of carrying out the strike, calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar for blaming the strike on the armed group Islamic Jihad. “Now they change the story to try to blame the Palestinians. It is a lie,” Mansour said during a press conference at the U.N. headquarters.
Edit: From the IDF’s official Telegram Channel
IDF: A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City
Attached is a video from the IAF system that captured the area around the hospital before and after the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization: https://bit.ly/3M5oQMI
IDF: Following the briefing by the IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari on the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization that hit the hospital in Gaza City:
Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362
Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG
Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854
Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672
Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984
Following the recording that was sent out, attached is a transcript of the conversation between Hamas operatives: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC181020238465
This was 6 days ago.
More bombs in 6 days than a year in Afghanistan. And it’s been a further 6 days.
Why are they even bothering to deny they did this when they’re the ones bombing Gaza over and over.
Why are we talking and not doing? Just release it already if it’s vindicating.
It takes a long time to extract and compile evidence. Especially when it is this important. It will need to be checked over as well before anything is released.
or just classified in general… there’s plenty of blame to pass israel; let’s not give anyone ammo to say it’s all just bias
Ok great. Do it.
I’d be very interested to see their evidence, especially given the initial claim that they hit the hospital because HAMAS were there. The video that I saw shows a fuck off huge explosion, and I’d be very surprised to learn that a Jihadist group’s rocket did that. AFAIK, most of their rockets are anti-personnel and anti-armor grade, stuff a little like what the HIMARS carries, not shit that’s going to level half a hospital in one go. I mean, unless they’re just casually rocking Tomahawk cruise missiles or something, it just seems like a big reach.
Do you have a source for this initial claim? The only one I have seen is a random tweet by a wannabe Israel fanatic influencer, and not at all an official statement.
Not on hand, heard it from an irl friend who’s also following the situation. He said that Israel claimed that it met a tactical objective.
Edit: I realize I should have fact checked him, but the horrible Nancy Grace truth is that I didn’t.
probably best not to say “given their initial claim” given that the source is a friend who didn’t say where they’d seen the info
so you may have misinterpreted what they were saying (someone claimed rather than reliable israeli sources claim), they could have misinterpreted what the source was saying, the source could have been exactly like this post and subject to similar accidental misinterpretation, or it could be just straight up misinformation: either accidental or intentional
given the amount of misinformation swirling about the whole situation, i’d probably go with “i had heard” or “i think someone mentioned somewhere” etc
Other than things that could be explosive in a hospital normally (O2 canisters), Hamas has been known to use hospitals to store munitions and launch rocket strikes in the past. While I’m not saying “Israel definitely didn’t do it” I don’t think it’s out of the question or even unlikely that it genuinely wasn’t an Israeli strike
O2 doesn’t explode. I’ve done 13 years in EMS, handled the stuff daily, tried it. O2 doesn’t and wouldn’t explode like that. Concentrated O2 WILL make a fire burn MUCH more aggressively, but not explode.
There was also a video clip I saw that starts with a chain link fence and then you hear a sort of whistling sound and something slams down hard with a pretty big explosion. Ofc I’m not sure it’s verified or not but sounded and looked more like the impact of something like a JDAM instead of what you’d expect from the rockets fired by Hamas/Islamic jihad. Which although I understand are deadly, especially in large numbers, I don’t think have the explosive charge anywhere close to the impact in the video (which also seems immediate and not a bunch of secondary explosions.)
I saw that same video, reminded me a whole hell of a lot of the videos that dropped after Ukraine got a package of JDAMs from us.
Yeah I found it just now. I know people here usually prefer Piped, etc but the Piped link to it was acting flaky for me and not playing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSugJpGdO4
And yeah here’s what a JDAM sounds like, like you said:
Any unpowered ballistic object falling out of the sky descends at the same velocity and acceleration, regardless of its size or mass.
An unpowered rocket will fall at the same speed as a dropped bomb. The horizontal and vertical vectors are separate.
No. This is all kinds of wrong.
First off you seem to imply that velocity = acceleration which is totally wrong. Then you talk about stuff that is true in a vacuum but not true when you factor in air resistance (like you would have to on earth). And finally you draw a conclusion your evidence does not actually support.
An unpowered rocket will fall at the same speed as a dropped bomb.
Only if they are the same shape and mass.
Maybe you were trying to say something about terminal velocity but you’re conclusion would be wrong anyways. Surface area absolutely effects terminal velocity.
I would like to see this evidence. The flipping of stories from Israeli spokespeople right after the event to now is bizarre. There were a number of people, even initial US government responses, saying that the hospital was a Hamas hideout, so Israel blew it up on purpose and it’s a good thing.
Also, why do they just so happen to have audio recordings of this specific terrorist group talking about this event in particular within an hour or so after the event? Is that a likely thing for them to have acquired?
If you don’t trust the Israeli government, the whole thing was live-streamed. https://nitter.net/COUPSURE/status/1714380403782324249
That footage was subsequently rebroadcast on Al-Jazeera.
There’s a number of other angles you can find on the birdsite too.
And yes, if someone was talking about it on a radio, I’d expect Israeli sigint to pick it up. This is not their first rodeo. They’ve been the occupying power in Gaza for 56 years. That’s what made the Hamas massacre so shocking: how on earth did they miss the planning for two years.
That’s the video where the timestamp doesn’t match up with the hospital event. It’s 30-ish minutes off for some confusing reason.
Not to be confused with the other video being used for a while on official Israeli government accounts that got deleted when people figured out it was from 2022.
Speaking from my own experience running local cameras, timestamps aren’t always accurate due to admin misconfig or admin laziness
But if we’re going to say that’s not the right footage, why is Al-Jazeera broadcasting it? To me, it doesn’t seem to square with their narrative, so why show it to their viewers at all?
You really think shrapnel from a already disabled rocket could cause such a large explosion? Palestinians do not have western high explosives.
Do you really think an Israeli bomb doesn’t leave a crater? The impact was on a parking lot. It’s still a missile and gasoline still burns. Not that hard to believe
Edit: here is the aftermath from Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/18/gazas-ahli-arab-hospital-after-the-attack-that-killed-at-least-500-people
And footage from Gazans on the ground. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714535687070916987/
Hospital is still standing btw…
Did Israel have anything to say about this?
https://kbin.social/m/world@lemmy.world/t/548047/Israel-kills-500-in-Gaza-hospital-massacre#entry-comment-3020730
