All 10 of the largest U.S. meat and dairy companies have lobbied against environmental and climate policies, resisting climate regulations, including rules on greenhouse gases and emissions reporting. This is according to a study by New York University, which examined the political influence of the 10 largest meat and dairy companies in the United States.

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100% of the top 10 meat and dairy companies.

That should be in the title—otherwise it implies that every family dairy in the country has its own team of lobbyists.

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Closer to the truth though. Most are part of organizations that include lobbyists that would oppose anything that negatively impacts the industry. I don’t find that particularly nefarious of course.

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It’s not that the title isn’t still mostly true—it’s that the impossible statement discredits the rest of the article.

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Precisely this, if you’ve got a point to make, don’t sensationalise the headline, it only makes it easy for people to discredit and ignore without even reading the article.

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…and that the rest of the article has virtually nothing to do with the environment or lobbying.

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The title is misleading, however the top companies take up such a huge market share that it might as well be a true statement. I know there are companies trying to make some difference and I hate media sensationalism

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Just the 4 largest make up 85% of the beef sector in the US. Dairy is a similar situation

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It is a sensationalist title, sigh

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Well I promise they aren’t upset with having their industry lobbied for.

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100% of the top 10 US meat and dairy companies

Context.

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And it would imply companies that make lab-grown meat and animal products, which are often companies formed explicitly in support of environmental sustainability goals, also.

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IDK why corporate lobbing is still legal, wtf outlaw it asap

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It’s legal because the people who benefit from corporate lobbying are the same people who determine what is legal.

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Yup! And it’s exactly why the system will never change on its own. The people in power will never voluntarily give up that power. Why does Congress get to vote on its own salary?!

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Ah, what you are missing is that the people who make those laws are the same ones being lobbied, and lobbying means giving money to them.

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I’ve got $20, will that do it?

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It exists because it’s ridiculous to expect government to know about every industry’s ins and outs. Sometimes we benefit from lobbying as because some old law is affecting new processes or we need to support funding for something that we didn’t know about.

The issue is when shit is mundane and worthless like the topic op presented. Lobbying against climate policies just means you’re part of the problem. We understand enough to know the policies need to exist and it’s a waste of everyone’s time and money for these giant corps to lobby against them.

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Furthermore, for a lot of issues, there are a select few people who have a big enough incentive to vote solely on one issue, and the rest of people don’t care because the harm is does to them is relatively diffuse.

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I don’t care about corporate lobbying because I think its useful. Lobbying is useful because its just keeping your issues to people who can do something about it.

What I don’t get is why regular people don’t organize and create their own lobby. I know wealthy individuals who do it to change things they don’t like.

They don’t stand in streets and burn energy screaming right before they get their heads caved in by police. You know what’s better, paying $5 into a pool and hiring a firm to develop research and a report that you can give to a lawyer who can start to bring it to representatives.

There’s a reason you never see wallstreet bankers or tobacco executives in the streets. Its not how anything gets done

You’re all down voting but you know lobbying is for anyone right. Check out the link below to see an example. Would you want to remove groups like this from bringing their cause forward. Lobbying itself isn’t bad. What is bad is that more people aren’t using it which leaves only the corrupt ones

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/05/abortion-rights-up-lobbying-with-roe-threatened/

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Lobbying is useful because its just keeping your issues to people who can do something about it.

Actually, lobbying is hurtful because it puts a goddamn pricetag on getting anything done. What happens when I have a million fucking dollars and you don’t, but your need is far greater? Go fuck yourself until you get more scrilla!

SHUT THE FUCK UP UNTIL YOU HAVE THE MONEY – that is what you’re supporting right now.

What I don’t get is why regular people don’t organize and create their own lobby.

Oh boy, you sure are clueless, which is pretty lame since you’re pushing some bullshit opinions here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee

In the United States, a political action committee (PAC) is a tax-exempt 527 organization that pools campaign contributions from members and donates those funds to campaigns for or against candidates, ballot initiatives, or legislation.[1][2] The legal term PAC was created in pursuit of campaign finance reform in the United States. Democracies of other countries use different terms for the units of campaign spending or spending on political competition (see political finance). At the U.S. federal level, an organization becomes a PAC when it receives or spends more than $1,000 for the purpose of influencing a federal election, and registers with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), according to the Federal Election Campaign Act as amended by the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (also known as the McCain–Feingold Act).[3] At the state level, an organization becomes a PAC according to the state’s election laws.

Contributions to PACs from corporate or labor union treasuries are illegal, though these entities may sponsor a PAC and provide financial support for its administration and fundraising. Union-affiliated PACs may solicit contributions only from union members. Independent PACs may solicit contributions from the general public and must pay their own costs from those funds.

Who can create a PAC?

An individual or group can set up a “nonconnected committee” when it wants to set up a political action committee (PAC), and that PAC is not one of the following: A political party committee. A candidate’s authorized committee. A separate segregated fund (SSF) established by a corporation or labor organization.

here ya go bud: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-pac/

There’s a reason you never see wallstreet bankers or tobacco executives in the streets. Its not how anything gets done

you fucking moron. The reason you never see them in the streets is because they’re the ones who built the goddamn system to favor THEMSELVES. That’s why they DO join us on the streets, just above us – to laugh at us pawns who are fucked from the start.

Lastly, you’re 100% wrong about the streets not solving a goddamn thing.

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Huh, well imagine that. The biggest sources of the problem is against doing anything about it.

What I find pretty wild is that our government even helps them do more of it by boosting terrible diet choices, including pushing it onto children.

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It’s all about profit. If some new discovery magically made dairy climate friendly but also increased profits by 12%, every producer would be on board tomorrow. They don’t give a fuck about climate one way or the other, just profit. It’s just that one position allows them to keep making their profits without having to make any changes. No points for guessing which position it is.

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https://www.c2es.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/cait-global-emissions-sector.png

Agriculture contributes approximately 10 percent of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions (not including emissions from onsite fossil energy use).

https://www.rff.org/publications/explainers/agricultural-greenhouse-gas-emissions-101/

https://www.colorado.edu/ecenter/2022/03/15/it-may-be-uncomfortable-we-need-talk-about-it-animal-agriculture-industry-and-zero-waste

Breaking down this share, production of animal-based foods — meat, poultry and dairy products, including growing crops to feed livestock and pastures for grazing — contributes 57 percent of emissions linked to the food system. Raising plant-based foods for human consumption contributes 29 percent. The other 14 percent of agricultural emissions come from products not used as food or feed, such as cotton and rubber.

https://www.greenbiz.com/article/how-much-do-crops-contribute-emissions

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agriculture is only about 20% of global emissions, but I would be fine with it being 100%: we need to eat.

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Except it’s mostly animal agriculture that’s destroying the planet. Animals are not at all efficient in converting crops to meat, dairy and eggs. It can take up to 16 kilograms of plants to create 1 kilogram of certain animal products. 77% of agricultural land is used to farm animals, despite it providing just 18% of the world’s caloric intake. Researchers at the University of Oxford have found that if everyone went vegan, global farmland use could be reduced by 75%, the size of the US, China, Australia and the EU combined. Just imagine how much land could be rewilded.

And no, you absolutely don’t need animal products in your diet to be healthy and thrive.

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Animals are not at all efficient in converting crops to meat, dairy and eggs.

livestock mostly graze on plants we can’t eat or are fed parts of plants that we can’t or won’t eat.

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Except it’s mostly animal agriculture that’s destroying the planet.

that’s a lie.

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And no, you absolutely don’t need animal products in your diet to be healthy and thrive.

you don’t know what i or anyone else needs, so kindly stop patronizing.

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2018 poore-nemecek doesn’t say you should go vegan. it says the industry needs to change and make less animal products.

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there is no reason to believe lands would be rewilded, even if they “could” be

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77% of agricultural land is used to farm animals, despite it providing just 18% of the world’s caloric intake

so?

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Wtf is with quality on lemmy world these days. How is a medium article written like an ethics 101 student using ai assistance news worthy. It’s formula 1 sentence summary linked to an article source, with one sentence over generalized conclusion… Over and over and over.

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Easy content to make. That simple.

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Holy misleading headline, Batman!

I’m not saying that there isn’t a problem with the industries, but the 10 largest in one country is NOT “100% of all meat and dairy companies” or anywhere near that!

A sample size of the 10 largest in a country where it’s literally impossible to get to the top 10 anything company without truly despicable practices is some supercharged selection bias!

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The 4 largest companies control 70% of the market. Markets tend to be one to three companies taking the lions share and then a long tail.

The top 10 will easily round up to 100%.

I’d also be hard pressed to find a meat producer that actually supported climate initiatives and wasn’t some super small farmer.

https://www.reuters.com/business/how-four-big-companies-control-us-beef-industry-2021-06-17/

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They couldn’t be top 10 if they supported those initiatives. It’s selection bias. Only the ones who couldn’t possibly support those policies and still be in their position are counted. It’s pretty misleading, even if it’s a large portion. Besides, it’s the 10 largest US companies. There’s a bunch not in the US, obviously the US doesn’t make up 100% of the industry. It’s just the place that’s most concerned with profit over anything else, it seems.

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Wow nothing gets past you.

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And wheat, corn, basically anyone who grows anything. Lol.

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Go look it up and find the same results and that they’re mostly the same companies.

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70% of the market (…) easily round up to 100%

That’s some real special math you have there, willfully ignoring probably millions of people as irrelevant and probably just as bad as some of the worst in the world 🤦

and wasn’t some super small farmer

But I thought you just said that such a thing doesn’t exist! 70% being 100% and all…

Besides, you know that sustainable farming co-ops exist and many of those deal in meat and dairy, right?

Some of them are quite large, in spite of your insistence on eliminating them to defend a headline that reads as something a crazed PeTA activist would shout at people 🙄

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Can you read? He said 4 companies make up about 70%, he didn’t say 4 companies make up 100%… he said 10 companies would round up to 100%. You are illiterate

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That’s some incredibly misleading editing of my comment which is already above so why bother. It’s just weird. I do hope you get better.

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More important, as long as people keep looping all the small farms with “big ag”, especially in the US, there will never be a reasoned discourse.

We all hate big ag. More agricultural subsidies than people realize are paid by small farms (not individuals) and received by big ones.

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I got some hippy-ass, “one bad day,” native grass open pasture, keep the calves with their moms until they wean naturally, one cow per acre, priced to reflect the true cost of meat cattle ranches where I live. I don’t think they were part of this survey.

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And as such, the headline is wrong 🤷

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Same. My farmer, Justin, also makes sure the animals don’t travel far to the abattoir. That said, I feel like (though hope I’m wrong) our farmers do not make up a significant part of the industry. I wouldn’t even consider our guys part of the same “industry” that the big shops are part of

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It’s pretty niche. The place I go started a program to help breed pigs back down to a reasonable size. Apparently they have painful problems from being over bred, like hip dysplasia. They are networking with other small farms to breed their pigs progressively smaller and healthier.

But yeah, not really putting a dent in the factory farming problem and not accessible to most.

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