Is ProtonVPN worth it?
Got reminded of this while reading about ProtonMail. The reason I haven’t gotten into proper #piracy is that I don’t have a VPN for torrenting, and the reason I don’t have a VPN is that I don’t #torrent. So it would be nice if I got a good VPN while #degoogling myself.
Will ProtonVPN rat me out to Comcast? I know some VPNs don’t hide what you’re downloading from your ISP, for reasons I don’t fully understand.
ProtonVPN is a no log VPN according to their privacy policy: https://protonvpn.com/privacy-policy
They have servers specifically for port forwarding and P2P traffic. I use them and I haven’t gotten a DMCA request yet so 🤷🏻♂️
They have servers specifically for port forwarding and P2P traffic
Sadly with Mullvad closing port forwarding, they are one of the only ones you can torrent with. In all honesty, if it’s torrenting setting up a seedbox is really the way to go.
Air vpn too. I had a bit of back and forth swapping between proton and air vpn after Mullvad closing port forwarding. Protons spilt tunnelling is far better than air vpn, but their speeds were appalling so eventually I stuck with air vpn with a script to divert only the torrent traffic through the vpn. Man do I miss Mullvad!
Yeah, but PIA also has the issue of being owned by a company known for hiding malware in their programs. Seriously, go google Kape (the parent company for PIA) and you may reconsider using it. Their CEO prior to the buyout had also formerly been convicted for some sort of financial crimes. Off the top of my head, I think it may have been some sort of fraud or embezzlement?
For a long time, the main VPN that was recommended was Mullvad. iVPN, Proton and AirVPN were distant alternative recommendations. However, since Mullvad, iVPN, and some others removed port forwarding (for a good reason, you can read their blog post about it, but basically, human scum were using PF to allow others to connect with them while sharing child-based illegal material) many people had to make a choice revolving around PF.
PF allows you and others to keep a healthy “swarm,” so it is a vital feature, particularly if you’re hoping to download files that aren’t recent & are no longer seeded by the original uploader. If the original seeder is gone, and everyone in the remaining swarm doesn’t have PF, you’re most likely not getting that file. Many people stayed with Mullvad, and some people switched to AirVPN or Proton, so that they could keep utilizing PF. If you’re only going to download recent releases, I’d suggest Mullvad. Otherwise, AirVPN or Proton should be fine. I have no experience with either one, other than using Proton’s free email service (I’m also testing Tutanota and Skiff, & liking Skiff the best out of all 3 so far).
I would also suggest doing a search for “ProtonMail court order leads to the arrest of French climate activist” and see if that bothers you. Example: see Mullvad’s blog about “migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure.” Meaning, all the internet traffic going through their VPN service is kept on RAM, so when they say they don’t have any logs, they don’t and can’t. Will Proton rat you out if they get a court order about you? I doubt it, but who am I to say. Although, email and VPN are not the same, but they are somewhat similar in regards to protecting your privacy. I believe AirVPN is also a trustworthy “no log” policy VPN with PF. Just do your own research and make an informed decision.
Me? I switched to Usenet instead of torrenting for anything other than recent releases. The good thing is that you don’t need a VPN for Usenet (as long as you have the SSL connection enabled on SABnzbd in the server section, which should be enabled by default after installation). The bad thing is, it takes a little more research to understand how to best setup Usenet, but you’re pretty much guaranteed to obtain your files, even years old. I don’t need to keep Mullvad, but I have kept it for now, because it’s pretty inexpensive and it’s a great service, even without PF.
Short version: use qBittorrent, manually start it each time after you’re VPN is active (do not have it start up with Windows or whatever you’re using), make sure to BIND your VPN to qBittorrent (do not rely on just a kill-switch, notoriously unreliable), and using Proton should be fine.
EDIT: You may want to also research “nordvpn data breach” and “kape technologies malware” (Kape owns Private Internet Access) if one of those becomes an option for you. I’m not saying don’t use either of them, but you should be aware of those things and make your own decision. I switched from PIA to Mullvad when Kape bought PIA.
EDIT2: Just in case people don’t know, I believe Mullvad is still the provider for the “Mozilla VPN,” just rebranded. And they have their own Mullvad browser (from Firefox), but I haven’t tried it.
Yeah the footnote about PIA was truly disappointing when it happened. PIA was one of the better VPNs at the time (and in fact, they still allow port forwarding.) But the issues with Kape are hard to get past.
Thanks for all the useful informations. In my current setup I use a Proton vpn tunnel on a mikrotik router to route all the traffic from my torrenting machines through it, the only problem is that the router doesn’t support NAT-PMP which is used by Proton to open ports on their side of the tunnel. Is this a problem? If I understand correctly PF does not influence my ability to download but only my uploads (without PF my files can’t be accessed via TCP I guess). I don’t think I need PF because I already had to limit my uploads because of my shitty internet connection, in good days I have 2Mbps upload, this limited bandwidth was always saturated by qbittorrent. I know that it’s not fair p2p but otherwise I couldn’t even use my internet.
I’m asking for confirmation here, when I’ll move to a place with fiber I’ll change my setup for sure! Or maybe I’ll go through some load balancing shenanigans on my network and re-enable uploads in some way…
I don’t know enough about Proton or NAT-PMP router support to comment. Hopefully someone else can. What I can say is that, based on my knowledge, PF does not directly influence your ability to download, but like I said, it indirectly can influence your ability to download if the original uploader/seeder is gone and no one else in the swarm has PF or they limit their uploads (like you do, which is understandable). I don’t have PF with Mullvad & I still obtain new or recent releases without a problem. What’s “recent” really isn’t definable, it more depends on the file popularity and how many seeders are still supporting the file that I can connect to.
Example: within a month or so after Mullvad dropped PF I was trying to DL a very popular show (over 8.0 on IMDB & over 80% on TMDB) that had been out less than a year. I tried all variations of 1080p, 720p, x264 & x265. I couldn’t complete the entire season from any one source. I was using a few different websites to find access to the files, in addition to using the built-in qBit search function (plugins, including having the Jacket plugin setup), and automatically adding trackers to each torrent that I had copied from “ngosang” and “newtrackon” into the qBit “BitTorrent” section of “options.” I never ran into this big of a problem before on something that was still fairly new. I knew I had to choose AirVPN, ProtonVPN, switch to private trackers, or try Usenet. I wasn’t interested in private trackers (just seemed like work, to get in with good private tracker/s, having to maintain a good upload ratio, even when others may not want the files I have, and I’m an adult now, with some disposable income, so I’d rather just pay a little, get what I want, and not worry about playing nice with others, although I recognize the importance of it and always supported it in the past). Within an hour of getting Usenet, I had all my files, in the format I wanted.
With Usenet a VPN is not needed, because SABnzbd (kind of like qBit, it DLs the files) has an SSL connection enabled (Secure Sockets Layer, encryption-based internet security protocol). Then you need an indexer (kind of like a phone book or a geo-locator, sort of telling you where the files are located, but the indexer does not provide access to the files themselves) and a provider (a service that actually provides access to that file). You can even automate everything by installing the “arrs” (Prowlarr, Radarr, Sonarr, Lidarr, etc. Do a search for “servarr” and you’ll see everything available there.) Link: https://wiki.servarr.com/
There are many indexers, some better than others. Having just one isn’t good enough (because their coverage is all a little different than others in regards to what they track). Some you can have limited access to for free. I have access to DrunkenSlug (DS), NZBGeek (Geek), NZBFinder (Finder), NZBPlanet (Planet), NZB.Su (Su), and NinjaCentral (Ninja). Some of these I pay for, around $5 - $10 per year, and others I just use for free. If I had a more limited budget, I’d probably just pay for DS & Geek, or use them & others for free if you don’t search and DL much.
There are also many providers, on the same or different “backbones,” & some are much better than others. If you want some older files, along with new releases, you need someone with a longer “retention” policy. I went with Eweka, a very popular provider. They have been fantastic for me. An annual unlimited download account cost me $54.35 (with a foreign transaction fee), or $4.53/month. If you only need new releases, then a provider with a limited retention would be fine. I also see many people use a combination deal with Frugal Usenet (unlimited annual access, but limited retention) and it also has a 300 GB “block” with UsenetFarm (higher or longer retention period), from a company called “Blocknews” for $40/Year. Blocks are specific sizes of data access (300GB, 500GB, 1TB, 2TB, etc.) that can be purchased, and generally do not expire. The idea is, most of your recent files come from Frugal, and any older files not retained there should be available on UsenetFarm. I would not buy blocks from other backbones unless you absolutely can not obtain a file from your current provider, and then you want to make sure the block is coming from a different backbone. In total, the annual cost of utilizing Usenet is comparable to many VPNs. However, I continue to use Mullvad (so far) simply for the privacy it provides me, and with a voucher I bought off Amazon, the price is discounted. I got a 6-month voucher for $23.80 almost a year ago on a lightening deal, or $3.97/mo.
Very informative. Thanks for taking your time out to wrote all of these! 😄
PF influences reverse connections to you when downloading as well. People can connect to you and upload to you. If the torrent is really badly seeded you might not be able to download it.
I’m assuming you didn’t read my post later in this part of the thread (responding just below here to “Giu176” - it’s lengthy, sorry, but start almost half way down into that post and read the rest for more detailed info and recommendations, beginning with the paragraph that starts: “With Usenet a VPN is not needed, because SABnzbd …” That info should provide a good guide on how to get started. Anymore than that and it can get overwhelming for some. I’m an analyst for work, so looking at all the available data, including many threads, and trying to make a decision was kind of daunting when I first started looking at it all.
Otherwise, the Reddit wiki is unfortunately the only other source I’m aware of. Start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/index
If you’re new (like I was) I’d stick to basics, like I outlined in the post I mentioned. But here is the part for choosing an indexer: https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/indexers
It’s my understanding (and it makes sense) that the “Free Membership Sites” are basically worthless. Pay most attention to the “Yearly Membership” section to get started, and look for “Open” in the “Registrations” column. The indexers I referenced (in the other post) are the main ones more experienced users mentioned. However, I believe some of it is marketing by owners/affiliates. Example: some say how great DOGnzb and NinjaCentral are, but I’m convinced it just self promotion. DOG is extremely expensive (see the pricing there, but you have to “buy” a shirt for a subscription, and if you actually want the shirt you “paid” for, you have to pay extra, so I deleted my account after getting an invite and registering). Ninja isn’t bad, they do have some rare things, but it’s very uncommon for me to find something on Ninja that isn’t already tracked by one of my other indexers. The problem is, you have to get an invite, and it can be rare that it opens for registrations or an invite is available (I think by design, you want the thing you can’t have). Not really worth it though.
The sub for getting invites to other indexers that aren’t “open”: https://www.reddit.com/r/UsenetInvites/
Don’t just make a post asking for an invite, unless you’ve already made a post offering an invite to somewhere else. I enabled notifications on this sub so that I knew when an indexer I wanted became available. Read here to understand better how it works: https://www.reddit.com/r/UsenetInvites/wiki/startingout
That’s how I got DrunkenSlug (DS) and NzbPlanet (Planet), but Planet isn’t that good, imo. You should be able to use it for free though, on a limited basis.
Next, providers: https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/providers
See the two recommendations I already made (I’d REALLY suggest just sticking with one of those), otherwise, understanding the differences can get rather confusing, but I’ll provide a brief explanation here. If you have trouble obtaining a file you’re indexer is saying is out there, but you have trouble getting it from the provider you have (I don’t have problems with Eweka, but just so I don’t look like a shill…), having access to another provider, specifically on a different backbone, can be helpful. Here is a link to the provider “Usenet Tree”: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Usenet_Providers_and_Backbones.svg -or- I THINK this is a direct link to a more up to date version, if I recall correctly: https://svgshare.com/i/iG8.svg -and- there is also this website, which kind of helps stopping you from getting overlapping providers (but again, see my two recommendations, and you can use this later if you ever have a problem, but you shouldn’t): https://whatsmyuse.net/
Lastly, even though I don’t use all of this on a server, I installed all the “arrs” on my PC and enjoy having access through them (again, see my other post for an explanation and links to the “arrs”. I don’t like having the arrs reorder my files, and create their own subfolders, so I just use them to reference files I’m kind of following, if you will. So I disable the “download when available” option.
With this post, and the other, it’s already getting kind of lengthy and convoluted. However, if there are any other questions, I’ll do my best to answer.
Actually, one more item, when you get more familiar with Usenet and the arrs, you can reference this site for setting up “arrs” profiles if you want: https://trash-guides.info/
Proton is very well known to be the best vpn privacy whise. They went to swiss federal court against the state to not keep network logs for their vpn, i‘d say it‘s very trustworthy
I’ve been torrenting with Proton VPN for years. No problems. Well, one problem when using Linux because the app didn’t support port forwarding but I think they fixed that. Anyway, no issues on Windows.
@KingJalopy stg getting into Linux was the first step to so many things for me lol.
The new app only officially supports limited distributions (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). The CLI isn’t updated to v4 yet. You can still connect to the VPN by downloading the config files (OpenVPN or Wireguard) and connecting through, e.g., wg-quick https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-setup/
It’s weird, because despite not having port forwarding on Linux I’ve never had any problems torrenting.
@stifle867 interesting. I would prefer to have port-forwarding to cover my ass, though. I personally use Zorin OS, which is based on Debian, so maybe it might work?
If you are using Linux don’t use the GUI app. It will lock up and leak past a killswitch.
The CLI app works ok. It annoyingly has issues reconnecting on reboot without disabling and renabling the killswitch. Sometimes it works, other times not.
You don’t have to use any software from Proton VPN, they will allow you to download openvpn and wireguard config files so you can set up your own client. Takes some more effort to do it right, yes, but its a good option if you’re up for it.
Just make sure to either set the Wireguard profile’s IPv6 to Link-Local or disable IPv6 on your network connection, otherwise you’ll leak data and DNS entries over it. The reason is because Proton’s wireguard implementation does not support ipv6 yet.
What i found to work the best is to generate and download a config file, then import it into NetworkManager. There’s a plugin for wireguard here: https://github.com/max-moser/network-manager-wireguard
This way, it’s easy to add routes, autostart, etc. But I don’t think a safe killswitch is possible.
Edit: But since this is a piracy community, i should mention that qbittorrent has a setting for specifying the network interface, so it’s easy to force it to use the vpn connection only, in place of a killswitch.
As far as I know, proton doesn’t allow port forwarding, so makes using it for torrenting suboptimal. If you want to use torrents with a VPN, there’s better options
PF works with proton, I use it. But you have to continuously call it to stay open. (On linux)
It does allow port forwarding. The Windows app supports it. On Linux, you can do it via a one-liner script: https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding-manual-setup/
