Never talk morals with libs because these are the things they spend their time questioning. Whether or not it’s okay to use AI to detect CP. Real thinker there
Seems pretty cut and dry to me. As a tool for moderators to verify, rather than an unwilling witness having to report it.
196 and anti anti CP takes, name a more iconic duo
Isn’t that a good thing? Quicker to find it, remove it and hopefully find the one who’s spreading it and sent them to prison.
when they talk about this, there are identifiers that detect it and remove it automatically, you arent actually storing it in any way.
Hash lists exist yeah. But American law actually requires website hosts to keep the CP for evidence instead of deleting it. It’s why DivideBy0’s tool isn’t supposed to be used for American Lemmy instances. Like if you upload a flagged image to Google drive, Google is supposed to flag it, save it, and call the cops.
i get that its supposed to be for evidence but its really fucked up to have to put small time server owners through that shit, terrible law. got to be some other way to handle that
I agree. The DivideBy0 tool should be standard on here. Instantly deleting it when its uploaded and saving post ip is the best solution. More just explaining that anybody in the position to make a tool like that wouldn’t have to go out of their way to get source material because legally speaking, they should already have some. There are site hosts that ignore this law and just delete and ban instantly (as they should), but I think it’s important to explain why these tech companies just happen to have large repositories of CP to train AI on.
Usually when people do this it’s with, like, Mengele or Unit 731s “research”, except their research was almost entirely insane sadism with at most a veneer of science. Whereas this is really cut and dry - LLMs can be trained to recognize patterns, you’ve got ready access to a training dataset (Or the FBI does, or whatever), you can train your LLM to flag and remove CSAM.
Yeah. I’m not justifying people defending Mengele or Unit 731, but there’s at least enough there that you can at least understand why people came to this conclusion. Plus, westerners pardoned Unit 731 and similar German scientists for the exact reason of “let’s get the data”. While they found out the data wasn’t useful, the west also had to stick by their decisions to not seem absolutely insane. There has been a propaganda push, along with the west’s poorly developed utilitarian view, that makes defending Unit 731 understandable. Defending Unit 731 really isn’t that much of a jump from defending capitalists putting workers in many of the same horrific deaths through workplace austerity. If it’s okay to cook people to death because you wanted to make a few bucks, what’s the issue with freezing someone to death? Not okay mind you, but I can clearly see the route the brainworms took.
This though? Like what do people expect? There is no good reason to not want AI on CP enforcement. Just because “there’s a database of CP”? What do people want LE to do with evidence of abuse? I WISH the videos of my abuse were in some Fed’s database. Instead my abuser walked off and now I just get the occasional creepy message talking about how hot my abuse was. Tracking pedophiles is pretty much the only consistently good thing the feds do. Why are people criticizing THIS of all things? There are no grounds to make this a real moral debate
