Israel’s military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.

The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.

“Ask Hamas if you can have some,” the IDF wrote.

106 points

I have to say, Israelis are pretty good at cutting down my empathy towards them.

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And then they turn around and ask for funds/resources from the US.

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No asking required, Biden promised ‘unconditional support’. It’s a blank cheque and they couldn’t even write “not for genocide” on it.

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It seems like they may be getting advice from Elon on how to piss off everyone.

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And what happens if UNWRA does just that? Then they’ll be shamed and accused of working with a terrorist organization. It’s a no-win situation.

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The reply should be, “Who should we be working with to draw equitable borders to ensure security? We’re not just asking for supplies, we’re forging local alliances to work on future solutions. “

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Yeah, SHAME or CRITIQUE is really something UNRWA should not accept, to help the people it was created for.

Do let me get this straight: It is Israel’s responsibility to let even more fuel into the Gaza Strip, so it can be added to the vast amounts that Hamas already has, but it is not the responsibility of Hamas to provide the Hospitals with fuels from those vast storages?

Not many days ago, Hamas stole large quantities of fuel from the UN, too.

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I feel for the civilians caught in the middle. Now is not the time to be hard headed about asking a terrorist group to do what’s right. Obviously they don’t care and the civilians are being punished too. Being callous about their suffering doesn’t solve the situation… it just feeds into the terrorist narrative.

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Sorry, “now is not the time”? When is the time, then?

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It sure sounds like you’re holding Israel and a terrorist organization to the same standard. Nobody expects terrorist organizations to be concerned about human rights. Most of us still expect democratic states to… even if they don’t always live up to it.

I continue to be amazed that Israel’s “supporters” hold them in such low esteem…“Why should they be better than terrorists?” Because, if If we can’t expect Israel’s government to be better than Hamas, then what reason do we have to support them?

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Ask Hamas… also, get within 6 blocks of Hamas, and we’ll probably kill you. Given a little time, we’ll probably kill you anyway.

Israel have the motivation and means to commit a genocide. Hamas terrorism was always going to be the pretext, it was just a question of when. Meanwhile, the civilians all get fucked - though not remotely equally.

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Get civilians to egypt, wht? Egypt does not want them? Wonder why…

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Because Egypt knows if they accept refugees, those refugees will never be allowed back in Palestine. Without Palestinians there, Israel would just steal the land.

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They’re refusing refugees for the good of the refugees?? Lol what kind of take is that? When has that ever been a valid or even used excuse before?

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Israel ofered the land to egypt, egypt does not want it. Wonder why… Could it be its people? Naaa only saints in that land

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What absolute pieces of shit.

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Hamas? yeah

can’t get lower than shooting rockets from next to hospitals, schools, etc, forbidding people to leave because you know you’d be exposed without them as shields and still pinning every casualty for your behaviour on the country that you just slaughtered hundreds of people of without any reason other than to provoke

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Nice try, but there’s assholes on both sides and i actually think Israel is worse simply because so many are willing to turn a blind eye for some reason.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/

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I’m not disproving or I agreeing to assholes on both sides theory.

But the reasoning that one side is worse because someone turns blind eye to them is dangerous. Humanity should always consider actions and not judge party in the opposite of someone else opinion.

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The reason is that they’re being threatened with actual, literal, genocide.

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You knew what I meant. Israel propped up Hamas for years because it created a rift between Gaza and the West Bank and stalled the creation of the Palestinian state. Israel has been complicit in Hamas’s rise to power and in these attacks. Even Jewish media has admitted that Netanyahu’s govt has allowed them to gain power because it divides Palestine. They want all Palestinians to be seen as terrorists so they can get western support for their genocide. Israeli news even reported about the Hamas training exercises weeks before the actual attack, and if they knew, imagine how much more Israeli intelligence knew. Now they want to starve the Palestinians and are making public jokes about their intent to the UN. Fuck the fascist IDF! Free Palestine! (And no I do not support hamas and never have).

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stalled the creation of the Palestinian state

It would be weird for Israel to intend there not to be a Palestinian state when they have continually offered the Palestinians creation of the very first Palestinian state.

Israel funded Hamas as an opponent to Abbas, who was fighting against a Palestinian state. That was really stupid, it turns out, but not for the reasons you’ve suggested.

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You know, since you’re very knowledgeable about Hamas can you answer a question for me?

I’m West Bank, where there’s no Hamas presence, Palestinians are still getting killed by the IDF. Can you tell me the reason?

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Wow, that’s cartoonishly evil. It’s like they held an internal contest on the “Most horrible thing we could say in response”.

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Almost as evil as Hamas sitting on a huge amount of money in Quatar and lots of oil but instead of supporting the people in Gaza they prefer using them as human shields and letting them suffer without any support and try to pin the suffering on Israel for not letting them slaughter civilians without realiation…

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Yeah, dick thing to say but Israel is literally saying to ask your apparent government to provide for their people from their own stock.

What else are they going to use it for, and is that more important than their citizens?

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Israel is literally saying to ask your apparent government to provide for their people from their own stock.

Israel is also not allowing aid to Gaza. It’s also Israel that created a Gaza that can’t even provide electricity for itself. Not saying Hamas shouldn’t use their stock for the sake of Gazans (if they have that much; this is still the IDF and they’re not known for caring about the truth), but the reason Gaza is in this situation is still Israel.

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In the short term, yes it is caused by Israel. You could also argue it was caused when Palestine and friends invaded Israel in the middle of a Civil War and lost, losing territory in the process.

Long term, this is something like 1500 years in the making.

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The people running Israel right now are literally Nazi-allied legacies. When you realize who and how it is perfectly in character.

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Hamas is literally the government in Gaza. It’s not a joke so much as them sugg sting that they rely on their government for it’s specific purpose.

Hamas has stockpiled reserves of supplies, but they keep them from the citizens. This isn’t even counting their money, which could be used to provide aid for their citizens instead of wealth and weapons for themselves.

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I think this is the key thing that makes me side with Israel. There is soo much “Israel this, illegal blockade that” when the literal Palestinian government has things they are holding from their citizens. That is an internal government decision.

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Hamas is, at the end of the day, an organization dedicated to making martyrs of their people first and providing for them second.

This isn’t speculation or opinion - this is their official stance

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