Both Ukraine and Palestine are fighting against an invading force. We can unanimously agree that Palestinians have have been illegally occupied in an open air prison/concentration camp for 75 years. And we seem to agree that Palestine cannot be a perfect victim and it is reasonable that they seek support in Hamas instead of their Israeli oppressors.
Now why can’t the same logic be applied to Ukraine? There is absolutely a nazi problem in Ukraine. A nazi problem that needs to be wiped out. But Russia isnt trying to denazify Ukraine, they’re trying to maintain borders and resist NATO. But while doing so they are indiscriminately killing civilians and are the aggressors.
Personally, I believe in what Norman Finkelstein has to say about Hezbollah and the red army. Both are not perfect, but I don’t care about their politics. I care that they are a resisting force and believe a country should have the right to self determination.
So how are these situations diametrically opposed that you seem to be hostile towards Ukraine but supportive of Palestine?
I don’t mean to come off as shaming or judgemental. I genuinely would like to hear your perspective.
Edit: I appreciate all of the thoughtful and patient responses. Even though I might not respond to everything here I am reading all of it. I was operating under a lack of information, which I’ve never seen any Western media source report on. Ever since leaving reddit, hexbear has been a great source of alternative perspectives and context. It’s opened my eyes to a lot of how I’ve been misled by papers that I’ve trusted.
I do support the Ukrainian resistance, the militias of the Donbass and the people of Crimea have been resisting since the western-backed Nazis overthrew the government in 2014
Ukraine and Palestine are not equivalent at all. If you want to make crude analogies, it’s closer to this:
Gaza Strip = Donbass
Hamas and other Palestinian militants = Donbass separatists
Israel = Ukraine (or post-Maiden Ukraine if you want to be more pedantic)
Hezbollah or Iran = Russia
The equivalent of the IDF bombing Gaza is the Ukrainian army shelling the Donbass. If Hezbollah were to invade Israel from the north and be within walking distance from Tel Aviv, that would be the equivalent of Russia invading Ukraine and reaching the outskirts of Kiev. If Iran were to launch missiles at key locations in Israel, that would be the equivalent of Russia launching missiles at key locations in Ukraine.
And this isn’t even considering that Israel is a settler colony, and we should always support the downfall of settler colonies regardless of whether they’re in the right for a particular situation. Neither Ukraine nor Russia are settler colonies. At best, you can argue Crimea is a Russian settler colony because the tsar ethnically cleansed Crimea of Crimean Tatars, but neither Ukraine nor Russia are interested in establishing an independent Crimean Khanate, so it’s just two groups of eastern Slavs fighting over a peninsula that neither group is indigenous to.
I’d ask the same question back to you, but replace Ukraine with the LPR and DPR. Liberals had absolutely nothing to say of the thousands of civilians in the Donbass murdered by the NATO installed Ukraine regime since 2014. I don’t know what they expected to happen, just like I don’t know what Israel expected to happen by continuing their occupation and genocide of Palestine
bump cause I don’t have a good answer tbh
