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tweet by amtrak ben: i think we should build high speed rail next to freeways only because it would make drivers feel like complete losers all the time

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109 points

It doesn’t need to go high speed, I was in a train a few years ago and the conductor on the loud speaker said “if you look on your left, you will be happy to be in a train and not stuck in a traffic jam.” Everyone looked and the highway was completely stuck. Really Really long traffic jam. Everyone started giggling.

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14 points

I wish the train was affordable

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34 points

The one thing Germany did right in the last like 20 years: Deutschlandticket. One ticket, 49€ per month, regional/local public transport for all of Germany. I can literally take a bus from my apartment to the train station, hop on an RE train and go wherever I want, and then take the local bus in that town.

It doesn’t include long haul highspeed trains, but the regional trains will still get you almost everywhere.

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6 points

And if you travel a lot and invest in a BahnCard 50, long distance trains are not that expensive anymore. A Flex ICE ticket from Nuremberg to Hamburg will cost you 80€. Fuel will be more expensive. Well, if you buy the ticket a week earlier, you can get it very cheap like 13€.

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10 points
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Ask climate friendly taxing. Plane fuel isn’t taxed right now but trains are.

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5 points

Go to germany and purchase Deutschland ticket.

Whole germany unlocked.

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2 points

Yup, unlimited access to public transportation (besides the super fast trains) for 50€/mo. As someone coming from the US, It’s pretty awesome

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3 points

Same. It’s crazy that taking a car, with all the waste that implies, is somehow the cheaper option in some reasons.

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95 points

This is the case in Germany, and it’s glorious. The fastest people on the Autobahn drive around 200 km/h, whereas the trains sometimes travel at 320 km/h. Always fun to see the slow cars!

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25 points

Likewise Spain with the AVE. Cars are speed limited to 130 max I think, so it looks like the cars are stopped.

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22 points

I don’t know if Deutsche Bahn is the best example of this. ICE’s maximum speed only means you usually end up leaving when you are supposed to be arriving.

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31 points

Well, Deutsche Bahn is the place where I experience exactly what the meme is suggesting. Should I have mentioned another rail service I don’t know and haven’t experienced?

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2023/oct/08/german-train-travel-deutsche-bahn-kafka explains it better than I could in a single comment. Searching for “Verzögerungen im Betriebsablauf” will give you more examples of the mess Deutsche Bahn’s operations are.

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10 points

god, driving at 200km/h is so insane

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5 points

Ya, I also wish those slowpokes would get out of my way…

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I’m sure newer cars are much better at it, but 150 is already scary enough in my 2012 model. It doesn’t handle bumps well at 130, I don’t want to test fate.

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3 points

It’s not a question of age, but of the car model. Any german upper middle class car from (at least) the 80s onwards was able to comfortably go 180–200 km/h, upper class > 200 km/h, lower middle class 160–200, smaller cars provide an adventurous driving experience at 150 km/h.

There shouldn’t be bumps on the autobahn.

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3 points

No, driving a moving truck (that’s small enough to not full under the separate speed limit for trucks) at 200km/h is insane. Seen that before ^^

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Stuttgart - Köln is one of the connections that go max speed, and it really is glorious.

But I don’t think there’s actually that many places the ICE can go that fast, is there?

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Not a whole lot, then. But then again, even 160km/h is faster than the average speed you’d travel at on the Autobahn

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2 points

I posted this comment already elsewhere in this thread, but lemme quote myself:

The ICE’s max speed depends on model and variies from 250km/h to 300km/h. These speeds can be reached on:

  • Hannover-Würzburg (280km/h)
  • Mannheim-Stuttgart (280km/h)
  • Oebisfelde-Berlin (250km/h)
  • Siegburg-Frankfurt (300km/h)
  • Köln-Düren (250km/h)
  • Rastatt-Offenburg & Schliengen-Haltingen (250km/h)
  • Nürnberg-Ingolstadt (300km/h)
  • Ebensfeld-Leipzig/Halle (300km/h)
  • Wendlingen-Ulm (250km/h)

There are more of these tracks currently under construction:

  • Stuttgart-Wendlingen (250km/h)
  • Bashaide-Rastatt (250km/h)

And many more are currently in the planning stage:

  • Hamm-Bielefeld (300km/h)
  • Oebisfelde-Berlin (300km/h)
  • Ulm-Augsburg (300km/h)
  • Gelnhausen-Fulda (250km/h)
  • Frankfurt-Mannhein (300km/h)
  • Bielefeld-Hannover (300km/h)
  • Nürnberg-Würzburg (300km/h)
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2 points

Sometimes? How about this decade old French record?

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Do all trains in France always drive that fast? If not it’s also sometimes, so…

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79 points

That works. The local L trains running along side the highway in Chicago got me, seeing 5 trains roll by while barley moving in bumper to bumper gave me the final push to covert to public transit

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68 points

The number of people I’ve met who will never take Amtrak again because they saw one delay, but will sit in gridlock for an hour each way to/from work to go 10 miles without blinking an eye drives me batty

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17 points

I’d take Amtrak in a heartbeat if meaningful service actually existed.

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12 points

Yeah, there’s precisely one (1) train per day leaving North from Atlanta, and it departs at 11:30 PM. It’s a fucking joke!

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1 point

We’re the end of the line but we finally got service back where I live (we had it… In the 80s or something?) we have a morning and evening now and it’s really good for heading north to DC and nyc.

I agree we need to get that network expanded though, we have the rail for it already

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9 points

You’re moving barley? You can’t move barley on a passenger train, you need a freight train for that.

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5 points

I mean you could, but it would be very inefficient.

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7 points

Everyone fill your pockets up!

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61 points

This is what infuriates me on every interstate freeway drive is that Eisenhower didn’t just lay tracks along the median of every intestate. If we had done it then, we’d have an entire network for the most heavily utilized corridors with natural station locations.

It isn’t even about being stuck in traffic, it’s also about the mind-numbing expanse that would be much more enjoyable if I didn’t have to pay attention.

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41 points

As a California native who has commuted 2hrs a day to work for decades, but got to live in the UK for a year: I was way more productive when I commuted by light rail/subway.

Instead of looking out for aholes looking to break check, cut you off, deny you changing lanes; I was able to respond to emails, make some calls and even have a descent breakfast off the morning truck while sitting in a wifi available seat traveling into London from Gatwick each day. Way less stressful overall.

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12 points

I’m in Montréal, my commute by subway is slower than by car most of the time.

But I get 20 minutes of walking and fresh air and either watch an episode of TV or read a couple chapters of a book. It’s also consistently the same time every time by subway. Feels much better.

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12 points

The median would probably be dangerous because of the tendency of automobiles to deroad

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They essentially would need to expand the median, which would add even more cost to the system I think it would have been worth it, but they would need barriers on both sides of the rail it wouldn’t just be road rail road, it would be road | rail | road

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1 point

My city has had these since 1989-90. In all that time, I have never heard of a car crashing into the tracks.

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49 points

Frankfurt - Cologne: about twice as fast by train then by car.

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15 points

Is that the one ICE track where it can actually come near its max speed?

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17 points

It goes at about 300 km/h on that track.

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The ICE’s max speed depends on model and variies from 250km/h to 300km/h. These speeds can be reached on:

  • Hannover-Würzburg (280km/h)
  • Mannheim-Stuttgart (280km/h)
  • Oebisfelde-Berlin (250km/h)
  • Siegburg-Frankfurt (300km/h)
  • Köln-Düren (250km/h)
  • Rastatt-Offenburg & Schliengen-Haltingen (250km/h)
  • Nürnberg-Ingolstadt (300km/h)
  • Ebensfeld-Leipzig/Halle (300km/h)
  • Wendlingen-Ulm (250km/h)

There are more of these tracks currently under construction:

  • Stuttgart-Wendlingen (250km/h)
  • Bashaide-Rastatt (250km/h)

And many more are currently in the planning stage:

  • Hamm-Bielefeld (300km/h)
  • Oebisfelde-Berlin (300km/h)
  • Ulm-Augsburg (300km/h)
  • Gelnhausen-Fulda (250km/h)
  • Frankfurt-Mannhein (300km/h)
  • Bielefeld-Hannover (300km/h)
  • Nürnberg-Würzburg (300km/h)
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