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If libraries were open late they would be filled with homeless people looking for a safe, warm place.

What I’m saying is we need safe warm places for the homeless AND libraries to be open late.

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Truthfully, putting the homeless in a safe warm place that enables them to have access to a library at night sounds like a smart combo.

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My local library has security guards because people keep shooting up heroin in the bathrooms.

This would exacerbate that

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We should absolutely have safe housing for homeless people with UBI and transitional programs. We should also offer mental health and substance abuse treatment – and in extreme cases humane involuntary treatment for people that are a danger to themselves and others.

And none of this should take place in shared, public spaces for the safety and dignity of everyone involved. This is a failure of society and needs to be treated as such. Placing the burden on individuals isn’t the solution. Expecting public spaces designed for other uses to pick the slack of a broken societal safety net is insane.

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24 points

that’s a good point, we should also end the drug war

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8 points

Almost nowhere in Seattle offers public bathrooms anymore because of this. It’s a massive problem that still doesn’t have a solution

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6 points

Same. The homeless population has unfortunately made libraries where I live pretty dangerous places and I can only imagine how much worse that would be if they were open all night. My city doesn’t seem to care at all about people shooting up and ruining public spaces.

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3 points

Sounds like my kind of party!

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2 points

And also, the heroin.

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16 points

Homeless people usually don’t have the peace of mind required for reading books, they are kinda busy surviving.

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Yeah, nothing against that idea in theory, but in practice, places like that end up full of urine-soaked drug addicts that are high on meth, making it an extremely unattractive place to hang out and socialize.

Denver’s Union station downtown is a perfect example. It’s a “public private” space that tries to stay open late on weekends to cater to the crowd but ends up being a hellhole.

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places like that end up full of urine-soaked drug addicts that are high on meth,

You’re putting all homeless into a box. Not all are homeless because they are addicts. Some are legitimately forgotten by the system and for different reasons lost job/domestic abuse/no fam/disability/health issue/financial issues. And even at that : addiction is also a symptom of a shit society. Not the same issue as what causes other homeless people but there can be more than one problem in a poorly designed system that comes up with the same result of being homeless.

Society built on capitalistic ideals for more than just survival as a goal has an extremely narrow scope for who it is interested in serving.

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except I’m not likely to spend much time in my local library if it is constantly filled with homeless people.

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Crazy idea : let’s use churches to accommodate homeless people since you can find them fucking everywhere, surely they’re not used after 8pm, and that’s basically the point of them in the first place, no?

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As much as I despise organized religion they aren’t fully to blame for the situation. Some of them have really made an effort.

Religion even at its very very best can’t do that job. That is why we need the government.

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As much as I despise organized religion they aren’t fully to blame for the situation.

They are if they don’t pay the taxes that would have been used to help with situations such as this.

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6 points

Yeah agreed. There are some small churches with actually kind people who help the homeless and do good stuff.

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Government can’t do that job either. We already have homeless shelters. I don’t know why people talk like this is a new idea. We have homeless shelters in our society. They’re government funded in some cases, or church-funded in other cases.

We still have homeless people. We do provide free shelter and food to people. And we still have people sleeping on the street.

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We need the government: to stop blocking housing development

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9 points

I think monks aren’t excited about washing off piss in the morning

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Then they should provide access to toilets. Where are they going when they want to take a piss? Also isn’t helping the poor in anyway they can a charitable act revered by their religion?

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Are you aware that churches do some of the most public outreach for homeless people in the united states?

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some of the most?

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22 points

That and stressed-out students pulling all-nighters.

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We’ve been doing extended openings 0700-2200 for several years in Oslo. As do libraries all over Norway. You need to use your library-card or app to open the door, so there’s some control (data lives for 7 days). We have very little problems - maybe there’s some homeless there but they are as welcome as anyone else. We do have security guard, or one that strays between branches. And yes we do have homeless people in Oslo.

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Go Norway! I whish we had a library law here in Germany like you do - our places are underfunded and understaffed… a lot of my colleagues are very passionate about their jobs, we could do so much more with our local libraries.

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A lot of Norwegian libraries are underfunded as well.

In Oslo public library (Deichman) we’ve been given more money the last 10 years than previously. And we have shown what that money can do.

During Covid shutdown the Library was what kept open except for two weeks - that really showed what kind of back-bone we were for Oslo.

It was very tough on our frontline workers as we were swamped with students ignoring any precautions. Working in libraries are still low paying compared to the education

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They’re already full of homeless people 😐

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the housing crisis and resulting homelessness have dramatic downstream effects on everything

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Once again, Scandinavia is making me so so jealous

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I live in the US, and my local library has a cafe, 3d printers, and you can even borrow tools.

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It’s there to make sure they don’t kill themselves in the winter.

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Isn’t Norway separate from Scandinavia?

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Fairly normal where I live

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And the most popular one: the podcast studio. I’d like to point out that the other 20-ish libraries we have besides of Bjørvika are amazing too! You should see the one we open in Holmlia dec 1st. It’s even got a separate youth-library next to the normal one.

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Not sure where you live, but I have actually been to a fair few libraries like this in the US. Usually if you want a really cool library, you’ll have to go to the main one in the state. If not that, the highest reviewed one. Of course, it all depends where you are, as different regions seem to care about having nice libraries at different amounts.

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Examples of third places include churches, cafes, bars, clubs, community centres, public libraries, gyms, bookstores, makerspaces, stoops, and parks.

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Gyms, stores, cafes, etc. aren’t good third places because you’re expected to pay money to be there

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Well, first off, “free” is not a requirement for a 3rd place, but even if we accept that the best third places are free, that doesn’t make ones where money is involved bad by default.

The difference is between paying admission or membership dues like gyms usually require vs a public space where there’s an expectation you will buy something but it’s not a requirement for entry, and it’s not the only thing to do there.

Stores don’t work because the purpose of being there is to buy things, so there’s nothing else to do, and no other acceptable behavior beyond maybe some chit chat.

But at a cafe, the seating area is designed for you to just chill and do other things besides ponder what you’re going to buy next. The seating areas are open and there’s an expectation a purchase is made, but you can order nothing while a person with you orders something, or you can order something small and cheap, and get the same level of access as anyone. That’s a very low barrier of entry for a place that is purpose made for social activity.

Same is true of bars. You need to buy something, sure, but the place is designed for social activity, not just reading the menu.

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I’m just saying there’s plenty of third places apparently

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Gyms are absolutely not social places. The where you go if you want to be pissed off by everyone around you because they’re hogging the equipment.

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8 points

STOOP KID LEFT HIS STOOP

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A truly tremendous day in the neighbourhood.

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5 points

Why does nobody ever accept my invitations to hang out on my stoop?

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have you heard of a street

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It didn’t go anywhere

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60 points

the death of ‘third place’ locations has had a brutal impact on society

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There are still a ton of “third places” – restaurants, bars, and coffee shops are everywhere. They just cost too much money for a lot of people.

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Restaurants, bars are part of number first one. Coffee shops to me close early. Never seen one open at 10pm+

The library having games and such would be nice. They likely would run into the issue that thoae unfortunate would turn up and try to stay all night every time to get out of the cold/rain/heat.

Bars usually manage to bounce them without issue due to them not being paying customers. Getting bounced by a librarian does sound kind of cool though.

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Homelessness is a problem everywhere. Libraries already struggle with it being a public place, so it would just extend into the night.

Would love something like this!

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Cafes near me don’t open late a lot of the time. They close at about 5pm. So if you want some place to hang out after work? You have no choice other than a bar.

I hate it.

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In the UK they defunded youth centres. Whatever shady shit we used to get up to at those, it was in a safe-ish place which at least one responsible person not far away in the worst case. Our behaviour/activities outside of those places once they were gone, as bored youths in a town of middle age to old people, was much worse.

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12 points

A lot of us don’t even have a second location anymore.

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I have a second location. Workplace and my car. Welcome to hell.

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discord is the de facto their place for people my age these days. sad there isn’t a better alternative

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56 points

After a short while, the library owners would realize that they could make a lot more money if they served alcohol in the evenings.

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