Shitty headline. That is ONLY if Russia gets to keep the annexed territories:
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
LOL if the question is like that (“would you stop the war as a winner keeping all the lands and cease the sanctions”) then what the other 30% of people is thinking?
“Keep fighting because I enjoy watching it on the news?”
I would wager 100% of people surveyed would not want to go to jail for giving the wrong answer too.
I don’t think the war will end until Putin dies. Whether that be next week or in 20 years.
There’s no way for Putin to retreat and save face. The world can’t afford to allow Russia to win. It will be a horrible stalemate of slaughter until Putin dies and can be blamed by both sides, to be able to negotiate a way out.
I don’t think that scenario has such an optimistic outlook in store. The people in the best position to inherit the seats of power in the Russian state are Putin’s closest clique, who are, for the most part, ultranationalists, who would not only see their newfound power deligitimazed if they immediately signed peace, but would also be acting against their own ideology. Even if there are powerful people in Russia who would prefer to transition towards a different kind of country, they don’t have a clear route to reach power.
And also it states that
70 percent of Russians would support Putin should he decide to end the conflict this week.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that they want to end the war, only that they would support Putin’s decision…
You cannot ask direct questions like: Do you want to overthrow the dictator? And expect a realistic answer in a dictatorship.
You also cannot ask a question like: Should Russia keep it’s territories? Because if you are in a dictatorship, you can go to prison for the wrong answer.
You can lose your job if what you say can be taken from the wrong context.
Merely the fear that such reprisal exists, means that the overwhelming population cannot answer truthfully, even if they wanted to.
So I would take these polls with a grain of salt.
Stop up voting Newsweek. They are not a reputable publication.
Without being condescending, can you give sauce? And for reference, what you consider reputable publications?
Newsweek isn’t terrible (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek), but sources like reuters or associated press are usually more reliable.
Seems reasonable. I’ve tried improvethenews.org, which is an AI attempt at balanced reporting. But I’ve found it to put too much equal representation of the extreme right viewpoints, which are not on planet earth so I have to filter/ignore all the pro Trump gibberish.
The fact check link posted by the other user is good.
Newsweek tends to take some news fact, often not even fact but a possible outcome of some developing story, and write a full opinion piece on a tangent.
We get a lot of Salon articles here doing the same thing.
As far as reputable, I would say apnews, Reuters, politico, CNN, BBC off the top of my head.
I know CNN will be contested. They have an annoying amount of opinion in their stories, but I do find that they clearly separate what’s objective fact and what’s editorial opinion.
Those are what I use. I’ve tried improvethenews.org, which is based upon AI trying to give balanced articles, but when one side of the political spectrum is so extreme it’s not “balanced” to have equal representation so I have to filter/ignore the pro Trump BS.
I’m kinda guessing they’ve never wanted that war to happen in the first place, they probably simply can’t express that without being arrested or something.
Those who support the war are probably brainwashed by propaganda.
There are actually Russians who I’ve heard say things like “Crimea is ours anyway,” and “Ukraine is supposed to be a part of Russia.” And I’m talking about Russian emigres in America who are not looking over their shoulders.
It’s not everyone. Mostly blowhard assholes but they do exist. The Russian people aren’t all sitting there thinking the right things but keeping their lips sealed.
The second sentence of this article is stating that only 30% of Russians want to end the war if they have to give back annexed regions of Ukraine.
Every country has a lot of idiotic nationalists, especially those which have an glorified, imperialist past. What matters is how much suffering are they willing to impose upon themselves to satisfy the demands of their collective narcissism, and Russians who live abroad aren’t going to be the ones suffering it the most.
And those who’ve left the motherland are probably not the most nationalist, so there you go.
Good start, but they’ll need to stop imagining they can keep Crimea.
Even before the annexation, crimea was mostly pro-russian. If anything there should be another referendum, but this time with guarantees.
Edit: I know the right to self-determination is controversial, you may not like what others decide for themselves, that’s your business; but please don’t bother if you just want to talk nonsense, misrepresent or putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
Do you mean the referendum that was held after Russian forces had annexed it? The one that they claimed received a 97% vote for the integration? That referendum?
Yeah, I’m sure that was legit.
The last time they were polled about this, 66% was for joining, and the trend for that number was going down. Some other figures were much lower to begin with. I do agree with you that it would be interesting to know now where that number would actually, truthfully be.
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
Russia has maintained that any peace deal must include “the entry of four [Ukrainian] regions into Russia,” something that Kyiv is unlikely to budge on.
Lmao why does it sounds so familiar
Hard to compare these conflicts. Ultimately Russia is aggressively trying to annex land and gain sea access through conventional warfare, Israel is trying to keep their people safe from guerilla attacks, having defeated their aggressor in conventional warfare multiple times long ago. Ukraine is the underdog in their conflict and it appears they are winning, Palestine is the underdog in their conflict and they have no viable path to military victory.
Nah, there’s similarity between Russia and Israel. Israel want to annex Gaza, West Bank, and Jerusalem, but ultimately withdraw from Gaza due to both demographic issue and constant Hamas attack. But now they seems to reignite the plan, seeing that over the year they keep expanding their West Bank illegal settlement, and the current plan for Gaza’s ethnic cleansing. One could even argue that “keeping people safe” is just a farce, considering having peace within the region is the best way to keep their people safe, yet the current administration is moving away from that, causing the tension to raise within the region.
The similarity extend to the country, down to the citizen’s opinion. The aggressor(Russia/Israel) want to keep the land and won’t give back, the underdog(Ukraine/Palestine Authority, not Hamas) want their land back and won’t compromise.
Too bad the similarity end there, as Palestine Authority does not have much authority, as they’re not and will not recognized as a state by Israel, even though they demand Palestine to recognize their state.
One could even argue that “keeping people safe” is just a farce, considering having peace within the region is the best way to keep their people safe, yet the current administration is moving away from that, causing the tension to raise within the region.
Clearly Hamas was responsible for breaking the peace in this most recent outbreak of hostilities. Not punching back is a losing move in terms of game theory.
Gaza’s ethnic cleansing.
That is a popular take, but it seems obvious to me that this is about creating distance from belligerent forces in Gaza who are unwilling to pacify themselves rather than ethnic cleansing. 20% of Israel’s citizens are Arab/Palestinian with full rights, and they are not being driven away. Gaza, the West Bank, and Arab citizens of Israel are the same ethnic group but are each treated very differently due to the different threat levels they pose. It’s clear to me this is about something else other than ethnicity.
Many people aren’t aware, but when the shoe was on the other foot, when Arab league Palestinian ally, Jordan, annexed the west bank and Jerusalem, they were not shy about ethnic cleansing. They immediately set about driving out every Jew, destroying their structures with mortar fire, and denying them Jordanian citizenship.
“For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews’ return here impossible”
“The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony” -Abdullah el Tell, a commander of the Arab Legion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem#Islamization_of_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_rule
Today there are no Jewish citizens of Jordan.
The aggressor(Russia/Israel)
Israel may be on the advantageous side of asymmetrical warfare, but they are not the aggressors, at least not this time. They didn’t start this conflict but I suspect they will end it, (as this is a long conflict there’s plenty of examples of cassis belli for both sides, but if you look at the initial causes of this conflict, the earliest massacres in mandate Palestine, declaration of war on Israel over the 1948 UN borders, or the most recent flare-ups of violence, they were caused by Palestinian aggression.)
the underdog(Ukraine/Palestine Authority, not Hamas) want their land back and won’t compromise.
Ukraine has a viable path to military victory. Palestine does not, (Hamas, Fatah, PA, take your pick…) Ukraine is well aware of their realpolitik situation and has been handling itself very well accordingly. It makes sense for them to be uncompromising regarding annexed territories. Palestinian forces are ignoring their realpolitik situation, poking a bear they cannot defeat for the last century. Being uncompromising has led to their situation today and will likely be their downfall.
Palestine Authority does not have much authority, as they’re not and will not recognized as a state by Israel, even though they demand Palestine to recognize their state.
They don’t have a lot of leverage but I suspect this is something they could include in a peace treaty if they are willing to pacify themselves and make viable concessions.
