We reject antisemitism in all its forms, including when it masquerades as criticism of Zionism or Israel’s policies. We also recognise that, as journalist Peter Beinart wrote in 2019, “Anti-Zionism is not inherently antisemitic—and claiming it is uses Jewish suffering to erase Palestinian experience.”

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I personally think that Netanyahu made many huge mistakes, including building the wall, and he should resign and leave politics forever, but I’m going to criticize him only after Hamas is eliminated.

Now, any pro-Palestinian voice is perceived as pro-Hamas. I heard the crowd chanting “from the river to the sea”, which basically means “kill all Jews”. It is antisemitism, yes.

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Wild, you are the person the article was written to inform.
Yet you missed the point entirely…

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“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is not an antisemitic chant. It’s calling for the liberation of Palestinians from their genocidal apartheid.

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By killing all Jews and destroying the state of Israel. This is literally their political program.

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If you’re referring to “landback”, that’s a far deeper act of decolonization that indigenous people all across the world have started fighting for, rooted in leftist revolutionary ideals. It started with Native Americans. No one gets genocided in landback, that’s a colonialist projection. Explain how it’s a slogan for genocide.

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I personally think that Netanyahu made many huge mistakes, including building the wall, and he should resign and leave politics forever, but I’m going to criticize him only after Hamas is eliminated.

Idunno man this kinda sounds like as a politician he has no incentive to eliminate Hamas and every incentive to radicalize more Palestinians against him.

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The fact that this even requires saying is a testament to how thoroughly drenched the (so-called) “west” is in regurgitated pro-Israeli propaganda.

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Fuck you, you racist ghoul.

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your insanity and blatant racism is fucking embarassing

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So they have to bomb hospitals and refugee camps, or the terrorists win?

It wasn’t a viable excuse after 9/11, it’s not a viable excuse after 10/7 either.

There is no easy answer, especially not one involving indiscriminate killing of civilians. From the IDF or Hamas.

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Israel itself is drenched in a culture of racist anti-Palestinian tropes, and denial of the ethnic cleansing called the Nakba.

The crimes of the Third Reich are invoked disingenuously to construct a counterfactual demonization of the Palestinian people.

Meanwhile, Jews in the West are often antagonized in their communities and families if they challenge the prevailing dogma.

There is a soft but tragic irony, that many liberal Jews feel free to approach their religious heritage critically and skeptically, but any who question political doctrine are greeted as heretics.

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What do you guys think about Thunberg’s statement? In my country it’s framed as antisemitic and FFF Germany renounced it but I don’t think so

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What was her statement?

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the world needs to speak up and call for an immediate ceasefire, justice and freedom for Palestinians and all civilians affected

We are of course against any type of discrimination, and condemn antisemitism in all forms and shapes. This is non-negotiable

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That does not ring antisemitic at all.

That statement was denounced?

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I don’t understand why FFF would denounce it, they’re a climate strike movement, nothing to do with this. I feel like someone at the “top” of FFF managed to get their own agenda into this, it’s so strange for someone like them to condemn a call for ceasefire.

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Always amuses me how there’s endless discourse about Islam being antisemitic and therefore movements associated with muslims are jew-hating pogroms, but the reality is almost all antisemitic attacks across the “Western world” are done by white christians.

It’s purely projection from the columnists and newsreaders who see antisemitism as a tactic to shut down anti-colonial protests.

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The Jews are the only people for whom criticizing the government of the country they’re typically associated with is interpreted as racism. If I say the Chinese government is committing crimes against humanity no one thinks I’m a racist. If I say Donald Trump is a moron, no one thinks I hate all Americans. If I say the Israeli government shouldn’t be responding to Hamas’ attack the way they are? Oh man, now I’m an antisemite and hate all Jews!

The fuck is wrong with this world?

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If I say the Chinese government is committing crimes against humanity no one thinks I’m a racist.

I see you haven’t met any tankies

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They’re such a small group of extremists that their opinion doesn’t matter, that’s all! 😂

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The fuck is wrong with this world?

Religion.

Ok maybe not all of it, and not all religious people. Kinda like how #metoo wasn’t actually about all men, just the problematic ones. When I say religion is what’s wrong with the world I’m not talking about memaw going to church on Sunday. I’m talking about people fucking people blowing each other up in the furtherance of what they perceive to be some divine goal.

Sure, the type of person to feverishly go to war over some stories would probably be extremely opinionated without religion, but you don’t see anyone going down to the fucking Renaissance faire with a rifle because of the guys dressed as pirates.

Believing things strongly isn’t the problem. It’s the system of organized moral superiority that’s the problem.

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It’s public relations spin. If you haven’t noticed, the Israeli government isn’t exactly what one would call ethical. They use every trick in the book to insulate themselves against criticism, up to and including crying antisemitism.

It’s disgusting, really. After WWII, many people did what they could to distance themselves from even the barest hint of antisemitism, and with good reason: the actions of the Nazis were reprehensible. Israel has taken that cultural awareness, unwillingly purchased with the blood of their ancestors, and used it to commit genocide of their own.

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Yep, guilt over WW2 from Western governments (no country went to war to save the Jews, it was a byproduct of wanting to kick Hitler’s ass) without realising they’re now enabling the same thing to happen to another ethnic group.

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I would actually disagree on China, the position that it was possible the WIV was the cause of COVID was successful painted as xenophobic or racist, rather than a viable option.

Which always struck me as odd considering a bunch of your people eating random jungle meat so much they cause worldwide diseases sounds like you could be way more racist about it. Yet, somehow that was painted as the less racist option.

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The foundational myth of Israel is that Jewishness is a national essence holding a supreme right to control over particular territory, above the rights of those who contest the right.

Conceding the distinction between antisemitism and criticism of Israel is conceding the fallaciousness of the myth on which depends “Israel’s right to exist”.

Protecting the myth depends on disparaging any Jewishness of critics and disparaging the humanness of the occupied population.

Jews must be united in their claim to the lands, and any opposing the claim must be opposed, as an opponent of undivided and untainted Jewishness.

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Which is funny since there’s plenty of Jews that are against Israel at the moment or as an artificial construct instead of a miracle from God, believing that it should be peacefully dismantled so that God would be the one to choose when they are to go back from exile, not men.

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I suppose the more favorable kind of religious zealousness is the kind not entrenched with political power.

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