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auto manufacturers had violated Washington state’s privacy laws by using vehicles’ on-board infotainment systems to record and intercept customers’ private text messages and mobile phone call logs.

But the appellate judge ruled Tuesday that the interception and recording of mobile phone activity did not meet the Washington Privacy Act’s standard

Privacy is a fundamental human right.

Just not in Usa, as it seems. Here it is indeed the law that needs to be fixed.

https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/is-privacy-a-human-right/

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To be fair, pretty much every government breaks its own rules, particularly when privacy is involved.

We have the largest and most invasive world governments in the history of the world thanks to the overwhelming technology that allows such a thing. And even governments that pretend to follow the rules just get their buddies in another country to do their dirty work for them. “I can’t spy on you, but England can!”

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Yeah and if the government is doing it you know other people have gotten their hands on it and are using it for gains.

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Isn’t the EU trying to outlaw end-to-end encryption?

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That was France, not the EU

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Isn’t this just a basic legal concept?

“In order to claim damages, there must be a breach in the duty of the defendant towards the plaintiff, which results in an injury”

Basically the judge is saying the plaintiff didn’t establish the basic foundation of a tort case. He’s not saying this isn’t wrong, he’s saying they didn’t present the case in a way that proves it.

It’s not enough to say “you shouldn’t be doing this”–even if that’s true.

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the question here is, on it’s face does an invasion of privacy constitute an injury? I’d argue that yes, it does. Privacy has inherent value, and that value is lost the moment that private data is exposed. That’s the injury that needs to be redressed, regardless of whether or how the exposed data is used after the exposure. There could be additional injury in how the data is used, and that would have to be adjudicated and compensated separately, but losing the assurance that my data can never be used against me because it is only know to me is absolutely an injury in and of itself.

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For privacy to have inherent value, it first must be an established, inherent right. Unfortunately, the Constitution doesn’t talk about it to my knowledge. I’ve always inferred that our rights against unlawful search and seizure basically encapsulate the concept, but whatever.

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The rights in the fourth amendment are generally a limit on the government, not what a third party does when it has a TOS/contract with you allowing it to do things.

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It sounds like you’d make a better lawyer than whoever brought this case.

I agree with you for whatever it’s worth.

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I mean how did I get checks from Google and Facebook for violating privacy then?

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The lawyers proved the case

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Those checks go to the larger YouTube channels, not people like you and me. Did you mean something different?

/s

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Sure except under this logic there’s no injury to someone peering through your windows. After all they didn’t do anything else…

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Nice take.

I myself am fine with the ruling, but only if we get a full-ownership deal on the car, and can legally completely gut and replace parts that do that. Also, the car should be sold with a warning label regarding these issues.

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Take a page from the conservative/GOP playbook and just find an activity judge who will wholesale accept your fabricated claim and provide a favorite judgement.

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Disappointing result but this seems like something for the legislature to fix. Courts aren’t always the solution, sometimes you have to just fix the damn law.

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But that would mean the politicians would have to actually work instead of photo ops and promises!!!

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This is supposed to be covered by the fourthamendment but that’s been meaningless for over 20 years now

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Amendment 4 does not apply to the practices of a private company. That’s what privacy legislation is intended to protect against. Amendment 4 only applies to spying done by the State.

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The state is just spying via a proxy.

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Just like with the first amendment, it doesn’t apply to private companies. The point is to prevent the government from passing tyrannical laws, it was never meant to district the activity of private citizens.

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Very true.

Unfortunately corporations are becoming the government, without checks or constraints.

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The “unlawful search and seizure” amendment? Why would that apply here?

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Are you being serious? They release your data to the police if they ask

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America sucks. Seriously. I’m just waiting for another country to bring it to the USA, because it seems inevitable.

People gotta stop putting faith into these ultimately crooked nations.

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Will it be another country though? Seems like the power has shifted and is continuing to shift from the nation state.

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I mean ok but the fact that your car is spying on you has to break a thousand big tech nda’s

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