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it’s a swole doge vs cheems meme
on swole doge side, there are two popups: kCrash and Ubuntu apport. Both have options to see detailed logs and an optional button to send report to developers, along with options to close the popup.
accompanied is a text that reads “Here’s the information. What do you wish to do?”
on crying cheems side, there’s popup for windows and mac. windows has just a cancel button with report being sent already. mac has ignore and report button. there is no option to see logs without reporting on both. here, accompanied text reads, “let’s add this to the personally identifiable information we have on you.”
Two things irritate the shit out of me. First, the “wait while we report this to Microsoft” dialog comes up and implies its transmitting immediately, even for trivial issues, without asking for your confirmation and without indicating what, exactly, it’s sending. (I guess that’s the point of this meme. But a yes/no prompt would be nice?)
Second is that it does it for absolutely trivial things. Like, the crap point of sale software we use at work can be easily and repeatably made to go into an infinite loop state if you know how to do it, and you have to kill it via Task Manager or whatever. But then this stupid “we’re reporting this to Microsoft” dialog comes up. Oh yeah? You’re reporting it, are you? What the fuck is Microsoft going to do about it, exactly? Send a helicopter so Bill Gates himself can rappel down and bust through the skylight at the office of this two-bit POS software company, guns blazing, hack into their mainframe, and fix their code?
What a useless thing to show the user.
lol, I like your way with words. and I fully agree and share the sentiment(hence the meme).
I disliked crash reporting on windows precisely because of inability to cancel it(by the time you hit cancel, it might’ve already been sent).
nowadays, I don’t use windows at all. sometimes I’m forced to use macos, and this popup comes up. I dislike this one too since I can’t really see what it’s going to send.
on my home machine I have Debian with i3 and xfce, which hasn’t crashed a single time. and even if it does in some distant future, I’ll be more than happy to send technical info to them.
You can disable error reporting on Windows, by the way. Disable the “Windows Error Reporting” service. Either via Task Manager, or services.msc, or whatever your preferred method is.
To be fair most applications don’t give you shit till you launch it in a terminal. That’s something I’d wish would improve on Linux. My mother would get pretty frustrated so I assume most average people would be too.
For example lutris recognizes your missing wine but it just loads indefinitely.
If you don’t have all the dependencies for alacrity it just doesn’t launch.
If you don’t have all the dependencies for gparted on Wayland it just doesn’t launch.
Most apps don’t create error messages in the gui and that’s hard for average users to grasp.
Most apps don’t create error messages in the gui and that’s hard for average users to grasp.
I just went through 3 fucking days of troubleshooting why this program wont work. Finally issued a bug report, it got closed in 30 minutes, dev responded with “ya, those features are currently disabled, terminal will show you a warning when you launch it”.
Great. And nothing for the GUI users?
The biggest annoyance to me is that Linux fanboys will say how you never have to touch a terminal if you don’t want to, but when you bring up how ridiculous it is to disable features, keep them enabled on the GUI, and only throw a warning in the terminal, they’ll tell you to use the terminal lol.
As far as I’m concerned still worth it compared to the state of proprietary OSes now a days. The online language model image generation features especially worry me due to the limitless data collection and scrapping capabilities. “Justified” collection of emails, word docs, images, videos, cameras, audio recordings, etc.
Most people won’t bat an eye until their most intimate details are sitting in a stack of papers on some lawyers desk awaiting a trial over some data breach or antitrust practices.
I’m not arguing against Linux. Use whatever you want. It’s just stop acting like Linux is GUI friendly when it’s extremely dependent on if the dev is competent or not.
Also, whatever OS you use wont save you in data breaches. Just because you use Linux doesn’t mean your Ashley Madison affair data is safe.
I am annoyed whenever I launched something from dmenu and I don’t get error output or logs anywhere.
I do wonder why you would have missing dependencies for all of these applications? Shouldn’t your package manager handle that…?
I was playing with Hyprland back when it was only in the aur. I found it weird too but on something like kde the dependencies must already be there. Also lutris never comes with wine dependencies for some reason.
I think Lutris can install its own versions of wine which is probably why it’s not included (also you don’t need to use wine at all with Lutris). I guess I’m not surprised you ran into these issues on Arch. I wouldn’t expect this on the more mainstream distros a new Linux user would be likely to use, since these distros are more likely to take a batteries included approach to packaging. I’d hope running into missing dependencies when launching a program is a fairly uncommon experience, at least for anything installed with a package manager on most systems.
On MacOS if you click on the “Report…” button it expands to something similar to what you see on the left.
I’m pretty sure this only goes to Apple, not to the actual developer.
I believe I’ve even seen devs specifically ask for copies of the reports from the crash reporter, as they wouldn’t receive them otherwise.
this doesn’t change the rest of your statement though, just afaik the recipient is different.
thanks! never clicked that for fear that they’d do something similar to windows.
I’ll try it next time it comes up.
maybe there should be a third button for less confusion? or does it go against apple’s “design” principles? :p
To demonstrate I got an app to crash, this is what you see when you click on the report button. The report is longer, trying to show where the app crashed, at the bottom there’s a button to send a report to apple
looks much better than what I’d thought. thanks for sharing mate! BTW, the interface is in French, right?
KDE’s way is the best way
I might be doing something wrong, but the crash reports themselves are damn near useless
yes, there should be a description box for sending additional inputs from the user. like what were they trying to do.
but GNU/Linux developers are already saddled with a lot of work, and I don’t mind restarting the app at all. :)
I have a question, how the hell does task manager stop responding and there still to have a crash report
