To be fair to the scientific community, one more collider is probably more valuable to society than the equivalent cost of bombs and military equipment
Yeah, people really focus on the fact that we don’t evidence for very exotic theories and completely ignore the LHC finally got experimental confirmation of the particle that gives mass to other particles within the standard model. (I guess Higgs mechanism technically wasn’t part of the standard model prior to experimental confirmation but styll)
disproving things is much more fundamental to the scientific process than actually confirming things. Confirming things is a bizarre byproduct, a happy accident. We must foster a culture that celebrates a killed hypothesis more than a confirmed one.
Oh no, not fundamental science that cannot immediately be capitalised on!
Seriously, why do substantial parts of this forum immediately turn anprim the moment fundamental physics research is concerned?
This is literally chuds argument for defunding nasa.
“I dont understand it so it’s worthless to me”
Have we? Have you seen one? I don’t know who these higgs and boson characters are but I find this “particle” of theirs extremely sus
yeah biden is conjuring 5x this amount from the ether for some emergency bombs spending request. build ten of these things I don’t give a fuck. this has nothing to do with people being unhoused and us squandering limited resources on I Fucking Love Science bait, those people being unhoused is a policy decision and we shouldn’t wrangle over scraps for good things. honestly even if the particle collider finds nothing at least we will have paid for thousands of brilliant young people to do what they love for $30k/year for a decade, and that’s what civilization is all about baby
I was going tonsay are we arguing this is a bad thing?
This seems like a better use of money than 95% of America’s budget.
We’re not actually against scientific research are we?
As someone with a science background I think that this is exactly the type of project that humanity should engage in. Major public works like housing, healthcare, and food for all are critical to the body of a socialist future, but these big ambitious scientific endeavors are critical to the soul of a socialist future.
But, as someone with a making jokes background, this post is funny as shit and an A++ meme.
If it were up to me hard sciences could only get funding if soft sciences thought they deserved it. I want physicists to have to woo anthropologists.
Where are the raw materials (including energy!) for this project coming from? Are the miners in the global south or the indigenous peoples pushed off their lands not harmed by the constantly increasing demand for materials academics present? Will these people see any benefit, in their or their childrens’ lifetimes? Do the bourgeois, the mining and metalworking companies and all their friends, not make massive amounts of money selling these materials? Are the carbon emissions and environmental destruction not worth preventing?
hell if this one actually has the chance to finally create a black hole and destroys earth im all for it
A stable black hole to destroy the Earth
An instable black hole for the fraction of a second in the middle of europe
(Un)fortunately, any theoretical black holes created by a particle accelerator will evaporate via Hawking radiation nigh-instantaneously and be functionally undetectable even if they did stick around. It could probably shoot straight through your heart and you’d be completely unaware and healthy afterwards.
Wouldn’t it be easier to collide more massive particles at some point, instead of building such a huge collider?
But how would you accelerate to near-speed-of-light speed an ever bigger mass?
RNAi is asking a leading question, the answer to which is “build a larger collider”
personally I won’t be satisfied until we build the full orbit collider from Xenoblade
it’s about energy right? pretty sure there’s less energy in two 0.9999 c protons smashing into each other than there is in two semis with bricks on the gas pedals smashing into each other
They already collide calcium i believe to get quark plasma. They need to collide electons with positrons for interesting stuff tbh, this is likely shenigans.
The issue is quarks produce tons of garbage, bigger nuclei produce more tons of garbage, but when you get a pile of it you can call it a new state of matter
building another collider is very silly imo. super cern would make sense if the ship hadn’t so thoroughly sailed on supersymmetry, but it sort of has, so it’s hard to see why such an undertaking would be worthwhile. The LHC has done a lot for less fundamental physics, but in terms of the Higgs, that’s kind of the only huge thing that the LHC has discovered. and the higgs is important, but not nearly as important as people make it out to be. the higgs field gives rise to the bare masses of particles, but most of the mass in the universe is actually held in the binding energy of quarks and gluons.
and the higgs is important, but not nearly as important as people make it out to be
well and exiting science brain for a second there’s the like human question of the cognitive dissonance of burning so much surplus on investigating mass generation models while so many people are hungry or unhoused or suffering from lack of access to basic medicines or clean water 😵💫
no i completely agree, i just didn’t want to kill the vibe. that’s the real main issue with building a big new collider. shit’s insanely, obscenely, mindbogglingly expensive. even just in terms of similar science, the cost to science ratio is absolute dogshit. even if it were worthwhile to continue spending large large amounts of money on fundamental physics research, colliders are objectively not a promising path to explore right now.
If you think money being diverted from scientific research would go to any of those things I have a bridge to sell you and all the profits will go to access to basic medicine and clean water.
describing it as putting some stolen-anyway surplus to better use sounds great but when that better use is just first-world phds getting their field coupling research funded there isn’t exactly a compelling case to frame it that way. does the research benefit the people paying for it or not? if I were a hungry peasant farmer and louis xiv strolled out into the fields and tried to persuade us that master sculptors chiseling marble for the enjoyment of his court would be a better use for the money than more campaigns in spain or whatever because advancing the arts is fundamentally good for all of humanity, I’d be crouched behind an oxcart with my phone frantically searching youtube for pitchfork sharpening tutorials
but in terms of the Higgs, that’s kind of the only huge thing that the LHC has discovered
Oh no the only huge thing the scientific project discovered is the thing it was built with the explicit intention of discovering, what a waste.
I worked on some SUSY models last decade and the LHC limits were a pretty big blow to everyone’s motivation, mine included. Maybe we find something at the next energy frontier, but there’s not a compelling reason to go there yet. One could say that it would be good to measure Higgs parameters, but we could also do that with an electron collider at the Higgs resonance for likely a lower cost. It’s a mess
Don’t know why these nerds need to build high speed colliders when I can just point two flashlights towards each other and turn them on.
