First RCS now this, today has been wild

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I’m a Linux guy and I don’t really care about Windows, but I’m glad to see this happening and every day I thank Europe for being the main entity fighting for regulation of big tech monopolies, because America is really failing.

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Its nuts that during the Obama admin, all anyone cared about was the threat of zero privacy. Now everyone in the US has surrendered to it, because our politicians have sold our digital privacy rights to the tech companies.

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If we had actual IT giants in Europe, this would look very different.

I’ve seen how the car industry in Germany only got a slap on the wrist because of Dieselgate and even got the chance to send out advertisement payed by the government.

I feel like the only reason stuff like this gets pushed so hard is because we try to slow down the current IT giants until we get our shit together.

I’m glad that we do it, but i wouldn’t say we are better than anyone else.

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Thanks for the honest take, a lot of people get caught up in the idea that if an organization does something that aligns with them, they are good or doing it for the same reasons.

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There is a lot of protectionism at the heart of the EU. They are quite happy to heavily regulate Big Tech when it’s not based in their own market. Unfortunately they don’t have quite the same passion for nurturing the European tech industry as much as stifling the foreign ones.

They are it purely fighting these fights for the greater good, or they wouldn’t also be pushing things like the recent browser certificate debacle.

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I mean we have SAP but they are probably not affected by this law.

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Yeah because dieselgate was a travesty and all companies have a moral obligation to find ways around the idiocy of the US EPA as they actively make our cars more harmful to the environment by writing poorly thought out rules that encourage larger vehicles as well as completely failing to understand how to calculate diesel emissions for vehicles in a sensible manner.

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Nah, it still would be much harder.

Because the EU exists out of many different countries with each their own government.

To lobby something through you have to bribe the majority of them, instead of just one.

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EU is very much a mixed bag. On the one hand, they do this, on the other hand, they tried to ban P2P encryption and microtargetted religious and elderly in resisting countries, feeding them the classic “it’s for the children’s safety” lies.

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Though we have to remind ourselves that it’s mainly the EU Commission who does this.

The Supreme Court spoke out against it from the very beginning, the Parliament voted against it, it’s really only the Commission who doesn’t want to understand that EU law applies to them, too.

Quite a few positions in there that need to be held by new people who understand the damn law.

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they tried to ban P2P encryption

They recently enshrined it as an unalienable human right as a world first.

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America is getting paid to do it.
Maybe the FCC is still resisting for now.

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Did you mean FTC?

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Not sure anymore. Maybe both I guess

That’s what I was talking about: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/15/23962881/fcc-anti-digital-discrimination-pass

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California is doing okay, all things considered

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I wonder if Windows in Non-EU areas does not have this kind of choice.

Well, does not matter, I use Linux, too.

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America is a huge corporation.

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America empowers these bozos

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I’m one illness or accident from being financially ruined, what do you really expect me to do about it?

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Start a revolution.

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This apparently only applies to Europe, say least for now.

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Wait for it. Slow roll outs

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How do you know someone uses Linux?

Don’t worry they’ll tell you

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Hey hey hey, don’t just go around generalizing. Not all Linux users are like that (but I am, and I use arch BTW).

Like I’m sure we’re bound to find at least ONE Linux user who doesn’t tell.

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That would be mee

Opsi

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As a Linux user (and ex arch user btw), I’m deeply offended.

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I use Linux (one that’s based on Arch btw) Make one guess at:

  • my diet
  • what I think is the best text editor

Seriously, how am I supposed to keep quiet when I find a clearly superior choice? Especially when most people feel a psychological barrier to trying it, that turns out to be not nearly as big as the adcantages.

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diet: coffee

editor: vim

:wq

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at least meat-reduced diet

vim

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what I think is the best text editor

ed?

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ABOUT FUCKING TIME. Take edge and shove it so far up your data tracking sphincter of a face hole.

Can we please get these laws on a global level.

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Well they’ll probably reinstall it with every update anyway.

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That is easy enough to block or deal with.

At least there’s the option to remove it at all that the non tech people can now easily access.

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I can’t wait to see what this breaks and how the fix is to reinstall edge for all kinds of mundane issues.

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They would get massive fines if they tried that.

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… then disable the update …

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Not really possible anymore, Microsoft has been forcing updates since Windows 10.

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I’m not disagreeing, but what entity would enforce those global laws?

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I vote for angry mob with convenient access to an active volcano.

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Who needs a volcano when woodchippers can park right in your driveway.

Remember to load them feet first kids!

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Same way laws are enforced now? Each country passing it and the companies needing to comply to continue operations.

Why are they force to comply right now if the laws don’t work?

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You’re missing the point.

The ICC only has power in countries that let them have power. If a given country doesn’t feel like doing that, the ICC has precisely zero recourse or ability to enforce.

What should citizens in countries like that (which may or may not be dictatorships, single-party states, theocracies, or some other restrictive, un-democratic, and/or xenophobic form of government) do?

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Space force?

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La Haye International Court of Justice, of course.

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And what happens when the country in question is one that doesn’t care that much about the ICC, and responds “make me”?

To wit: The United States has famously refused to subordinate itself to the ICC

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If I have to keep a chromium browser around, in addition to Firefox, I’d rather edge than mainline Chrome.

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Suggestions? Preferably for both Windows and Mac

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Brave seems like a superb option.

Opera seems like a reasonable option, I guess, but I’m not sure if it has the market share to actually be seen and controversial if there was something to be controversial about.

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I’m not sure I would. Edge is trash, it keeps shoving the AI bullshit, all the MSN news stuff, ads for cheaper shopping, all in your face when you first start up. While you can turn it off, it gets annoying doing that every time you reinstall or spin up a new VM. Chrome, for all its faults, is a lot less annoying freshly installed.

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I appreciate your sense of relief, but don’t share it. This isn’t the first time Microsoft has been ordered to stop pushing its stuff (remember Internet Explorer?) and I’m sure it won’t be the last.

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Nope. But hey look, the Democrats are coming to take your guns!

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Why yes Microsoft, I am totally a European in Europe right now…

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VPN to Sweden, update Windows to the EEA version, profit?

I’m not holding my breath, but we can hope.

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It 's wild to think that some people might VPN to the EU for basic rights.

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Freedom!

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People do that China 🤷‍♂️

Coming to a Western country soon near you!

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You wouldn’t pirate basic human rights, would you?

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Välkommen!

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Bless you.

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Hey, 'Muricans, how come we need to pressure every company into compliance for you?

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Do you really think any average citizen has any say in this whatsoever?

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Yes. You’re a democracy, right? Right?

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On paper yes. In reality…

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An electoral democracy, we choose those that make the laws. Due to the 2 party system we don’t have many options for when they fail to do what they claim they will.

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No, we’re a republic.

A true democracy would empower each of us to do as you say, but that’s not what’s here.

Our republic is quite corrupt due to greed and power, as well… Not as corrupt as many countries out there, mind you, but it’s alot worse than it should be.

We’re starting to resemble a corporatocracy in many ways these days as a result of all this.

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Great America, land of the free

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Free to be shot at and advertised to

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Land of the fee and home of the slave

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Obviously since it’s happening for us Europeans

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Sorry, our country is currently on fire 😕

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For $100,000 the US Congress will tell you!

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Nah. Those corps will still do it at home or sell it as PR at home.

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Idk, how come we need to fund your wars?

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Which war? Help me out here. Vietnam? Iraq? Korea? I’m lost here … Oh wait…

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Hey, 'Peans, how come you think a country larger than your pseudo continent is a homogenous hivemind?

E: what Ive learned from this comment is that apparently, all europeans share 1 single trait, which is just utterly horrid reading comprehension

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Because Europe is so fucking homogenous that we stared 2 world wars just because we agree so much

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We agreed so much in the past that the 30 years war could never have happened in Euro… Oh.

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Well, we could agree on those two things, at least…

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If you think saying “that nation isnt homogenous” means “all other nations are homogenous” you probably shouldnt weigh in on adult convos

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Erm… Larger by land mass? Yes. Larger by GDP? No. Larger by number of inhabitants? No. Larger by amount of vastly different cultures that somehow get stuff like this done whole very decidedly not being a hive mind? Also no.

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The US is smaller than Europe in size of population and in area.

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Thank you Europe. Once again you prove yourself to be what we all aspire to be.

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It’s a shame that this is only for users in the EEA though, I understand why they didn’t make it a blanket change, but we can dream

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Hey, I’ll change to use the N version of windows if it’ll get me this feature. Forced software on your devices is something I loathe.

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You probably just have to change your region to any EEA country, such as Ireland.

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