It’s also in my experience the most terminally online leftists are the ones going online complaining about other people not voting instead of like actually doing organizing. I certainly don’t see a lot of them outside the internet or when doing things that actually matter instead of putting a piece of paper in a box thinking it changes anything.
well by voting for biden, america will only do 99.99% genocide instead of 100% genocide under trump
america will only do 99.99% genocide instead of 100% genocide
I don’t even know if that’s true.
It seems that a vote for Biden is a vote for 200% genocide abroad, while a vote for Trump is for 100% more genocide at home.
We perceive Trump as more dangerous because he’s expressed a strong desire to bring imperialism back within the Core. But if you look at his foreign policies, was anything under Trump even remotely as horrific as Obama’s wrecking of Libya and Syria or Biden’s holocaust in Ukraine? Even the shit at the US/Mexico border pales in comparison to the nightmares Obama/Biden inflicted in Haiti and continue to sponsor in the Philippines.
I think you’re forgetting that Trump was the one that pushed for and moved and the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and then formally recognised Jerusalem to be the Capital of Israel in 2017 against tons of pushback. He was actively instigating this.
Obama’s droning was bad but don’t let Trump fool you. He stopped the mandatory reporting of drone strikes, but not the actual drone strikes. And of course once Biden became president none of the libs thought it was necessary to start reporting them again.
He stopped the mandatory reporting of drone strikes, but not the actual drone strikes.
Oh sure. He signed off the mission to bomb our own airfield in Iraq to kill a diplomatic party visiting from Iran. He sponsored numerous coups in Latin America. Dude rubber stamped a long tradition of fascist foreign policy.
But nothing on the scale of Libya, Ukraine, or Israel.
Trump also made the situation in Cuba, the sole AES state in the Americas beyond Chiapas, far far worse. Biden hasn’t intensified it but also hasn’t made it less bad, so, they’re both overwhelmingly negative in that regard.
Trump also made the situation in Cuba, the sole AES state in the Americas beyond Chiapas, far far worse.
Worse than the 90s? Idk. Its very hard to get a read on what’s happening in Cuba when I’m not being inundated with pictures of Miguel Díaz-Canel at a sit-in with captions like “This Man Yearns For Freedom”. Trump rolled back a bunch of the milquetoast reforms implemented under Obama, which definitely sucked. But I don’t see much to suggest he subjected Cuba to anything like what Puerto Rico or Haiti endured under Obama.
i’m excited to see this meme every 4 years until the collapse of america because the democrat strategy has been “vote for lesser evil! this is the most important election of our lifetime” do horrible things “vote lesser evil again! have i mentioned this is the most important election of our lifetime?” do horrible things again. realistically, what is the correct option here? both trump and biden will funnel outrageous sums of money right into “israeli” bombs to be dropped on palestine. so lets just vote for the genocide supporter that pretends to care about queer people in america, as opposed to the genocide supporter that doesnt like queer people in america? you do realize that as long as democrats are getting their votes, no matter what your or my opinion about them is, they’ll see absolutely no reason to change their ways? but what do i know, im just a “terminally online leftist” who spends all of my waking hours organizing instead of shilling genocide joe on the internet.
I disagree. Every 16-20 years, they will have a candidate who isn’t the ‘lesser evil’ but someone who everybody loves and will definitely change things for the better! Oh it was the same thing the Republicans wanted to do but with an inspiring speaker at the head, oh golly gee I can’t believe it happened again!
hard to say they’re actually leftists if they believe so much in electoralism. most of them are progressive liberals at best.
Do absolutey nothing
for president
There is this twitter thread from George Takei where he says “we vote as a prayer” and it made me so angry I still think about it now months since I’ve seen it, because he doesn’t even believe in prayer to a higher power able to effect change (AFAIK, please correct me if I’m wrong). So he literally says voting doesn’t work but dresses is up as like this solemn and mindful act that you are obligated to do regardless of whether you believe in it or not.
Edit: also the deification the US system. That is the word I was looking for. The unchangeable, powerful, benevolent governmental structure that the citizen should pray to by casting their votes
Leftists-to-Liberals: “Our long term plan is to organize the neighborhood in an effort to incorporate the lumpen proletariat into the workforce, guarantee a basic living standard for everyone, and unshackle ourselves from the reliance on global militarized corporate capital. But our first big step is to discharge all these burdensome financial obligations and institute some basic civil services like health care, education, and public transit.”
Liberals-to-Leftists: “None of that is possible. Its all too hard, unless you have a big government daddy to handle it for you. Your plan is doomed from the start and I’ll be damned if I’m going to participate in any way.”
Leftists-to-Liberals: “Nevertheless, we’re going to try on our own.”
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Liberals-to-Liberals: “Leftists never try to do anything.”
Leftists are that scene from Interstellar while liberals are until the heat death of the universe.
The difficulty is demonstrating to libs that change is possible. My hope is that once that happens, at least some of them will realize this futility mindset was always nonsense. We gotta get some small wins to build momentum, to break people out of their complacency.
The difficulty is demonstrating to libs that change is possible.
Typically by doing all the heavy lifting - the organizing, the popularization, the legislating, the bureaucracy, the enactment, the enforcement, the struggle with opposition, the re-legislating and re-bureaucratizing as you iron out the kinks. And then, once a policy is firmly entrenched in the status quo, liberals can support it. At which point they rewrite the history books to take all the credit.
We gotta get some small wins to build momentum, to break people out of their complacency.
We have a long history of wins, big and small. Everything from Social Security to LGBTQ Rights to Green Energy R&D to the modern Anti-War Activist Movement starts with leftist agitation and organizing. But lots of people are going to be complacent by construction. Getting the kind of education and free time to work with the necessary knowledge and expertise isn’t easy or cheap. You shouldn’t expect every lay schmoe to have a working understanding of advanced socio-economic theory. That’s the whole reason for the Vanguard Party.
The ultimate struggle is not with complacency but outright violent opposition. From liberal police departments tearing up homeless camps to liberal legislators stonewalling activists to liberal media magnets launching massive disinformation campaigns in order to discourage participation in left-wing causes. It is, in effect, a war between Vanguards. And the biggest hurdle for Imperial Core Leftists is the wealthy, entrenched capitalist opposition.
