What the fuck is a Raddle?

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raddle is where like four weird lifestyle anarchists (this is code words for libertarians with left aesthetics) pretend to be a lot more than four users

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Aren’t lifestylists individualists rather than on the libertarian left? Isn’t that the whole reason Bookchin denounced them?

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maybe this is a regional thing, but when I think “libertarian” with no modifiers it’s weirdo american right wingers, so i’m saying these are super individualists who are opposed to collective action and just pretend to be leftist anarchists

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Libertarian is a type of anarchism.

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Not the American libertarians though

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Nothing says anarchy like a strict wealth-based hierarchy

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15 points

anarcho-neoliberalism

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44 points

ziq and their 200 alts

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It’s been months since I did that and I’ve apologized on my site every time the issue has come up. There is no excuse for manipulating the people on raddle like I did. I won’t do it again.

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Wait is this account real wtf.

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39 points

Damn takes me back.

Just from memory, I think Raddle started as an alt-Reddit back when shitredditsays was still a thing. I remember getting an invite on the IRC.

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Raddle has been fighting the struggle for digital autonomy for years now. Hexbear didn’t need to exist, you could have come to my site instead.

Instead, Hexbear’s founder was a mod on both r/chapotraphouse and r/moretankiechapo. He pulled a con on everyone here, I’m not surprised someone doxed him.

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the dude was an actual advocate for anarchists in a space that was very ML leaning and there’s a person i strongly suspect of having doxxed him in retaliation for it. dude was looking into council communism by the end. i’m pretty critical of the politics on this site, but your sock puppet shit is exactly why a bunch of anarchists, myself included, did not feel safe going on your website, and part of the promise of hexbear was eventually federating which does a lot to hold your typically unaccountable internet moderator actually accountable to both their users and to others in general if they no longer can hold a monopoly on access to a community.

it’s also why i still don’t have a reason to shitpost on raddle. none of these sites are safe places to actually organize anything (and i don’t think it’s fair to expect them to be that), but being entirely at the mercy of a particular clique of highly sectarian “ancoms aren’t anarchIst” internet mods doesn’t make it an appealing social hangout space or anywhere to actually meet vaguely like-minded people.

if you’ve mellowed out since then that’s great but like don’t act like there wasn’t a damn good reason people didn’t want to be on your website.

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It’s a red dye used to mark sheep.

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Raddle.me is a site I founded. It runs on Postmill and it remains the best hope for a post-civilization internet.

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I checked it and it seems to be a hangout for libertarian pedophiles.

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19 points

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28 points

post-civilization Internet

GOOD bit

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hexbear dunking on raddle dunking on lemmy dunking on raddle

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34 points

need to learn to leave people on read tbh

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spider-mans-pointing.gif

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I went into that thread to talk to them but holy fuck, these replies are essentially demanding trans people self harm

Large concentration of trans people on hexbear just goes to show that not all queer people are cool people, and we’re not automatically going to have anything more in common just by sharing a part of our identity. I don’t think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.

No you in fact do share a lot, it’s been my experience overwhelmingly that our experiences are very uniform. I can talk and relate to people from all over the globe trivially, things are that shit for us everywhere. This sort of rhetoric is detrimental to the survival of the trans community, and is purely for the sake of ideology. For fucks sake, 90% of trans people are socialist. This is essentially encouraging trans people to check out of the community that helps them most (and I have had one person internalize this argument in person! It led to total self ostracization of help for ideological reasons). Sectarianism is so fuckin ridiculous, and is even more ridiculous in the trans community. In my view, it’s incredibly important to have large non corporate trans spaces, it is easier to translate online activity to real world activity with trans people because we’re desperate to get good things happening. This rhetoric tries to interdict that

tankies are worse because they should know better than to do around the clock propaganda for authoritarian homophobic states

Trans people get food and housing in these states, which is the biggest issue to fix in the west, based on my experience working with people. Mutual aid and charity have unfortunately been unable to tackle this completely, and regardless, the rhetoric before interdicts even anarchist mutual aid

most people have no authority-consciousness but marginalized people absolutely do, and yet some of us choose to use that consciousness to push for more authority, convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it’s obscene

Specters still haunting

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not all queer people are cool people,

Norman Finkelstein is right? apparently radlibs really do only care about LGBT for building their social capital as fashionable

I don’t think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.

convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it’s obscene

lol how’s your “liberatory free markets” doing in Ukraine after leftoids heroically SMASHED THE STALINIST STATE in the 2014 coup? Remember that psychotic genocidal trans who was fired for being too mask off in their obscenity? Hmm

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CyberStalin

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Lmao gulags? Prison slavery is legal in the US, and those prisons are privately owned with quotas to meet.

But please, lecture me about gulags

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Yeah I’m aware, very special. Doesn’t bother me, it’s just sad that they’re hurting themselves and encouraging others to do so. Also saying that stat is incorrect is nonsense, I polled a large lgbt org for that number, over 100 trans people so likely very representative for my area which statistically should have around 1000 trans people. There have been more systematic estimates suggesting 80% are hard left. Could be involvement in an org boosts it by 10%

They can say China doesn’t have free shelters or cheap as hell housing all they want, I have contact with many trans groups in China that handle mutual aid, I take their word over ziqs or checks notes the fucking Economist. Id really like to increase the Chinese speaking community here so you can hear it direct from them. It’s still not a picnic but the conditions are different, which is unique.

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I was going to say, if a minor is disowned by their family (or even an adult is kicked out and has no home anymore), isn’t it explicit state policy that they be given some kind of housing? Aren’t the homeless in China are mostly people who nominally do have a home but live on the streets elsewhere (especially people from the country seeking an income in cities)?

I’ve only read here and there about policies and such, is this consistent with what your people tell you?

Edit: Some fucker in that thread quoting Friere is so annoying, he was a Marxist! And of course these self-proclaimed anarchists are going to take The Economist’s word on China. What wretched fucking morons.

Edit 2: I need to stop looking at that website. Look at this shit. To the right of Robert Conquest on Soviet history, quoting Orwell, and of course being uncritical about sources when it owns the tankies. When people say that anarchism is extraordinarily vulnerable to Useful Idiocy, this is exactly what they mean. I don’t think they are feds (too low-value an operation) but this shit is basically just an ineffective version of what feds would do.

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so ziq’s in that thread mocking db0 and calling them a tankie, isn’t db0 an anarchist / anarchist adjacent(?)

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Apparently anarcho-lifestylists think ancoms are secret tankies or something. You can see their feud start here: https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/81827/how-anarcho-communism-would-create-authority

Highlight: Db0 calls ziq an authoritarian for opposing democracy.

It was then turned into an even bigger anti-ancom rant:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-burn-the-bread-book-make-anarchy

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“How would you feed people then, genius?” I hear you scoff. The answer is simple; tried and tested for millennia. I wouldn’t feed people.

LMAO

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People would feed themselves instead of expecting others to labor to feed them; an entitlement that arose with industrial civilization. People would be inclined to protect the forests instead of bulldozing them for the supposed convenience of industrial food production if they picked their food directly from those forests everyday.

They’d protect the forests with their very lives because they’d need the food that grows in the forests to survive without industrial farms, bakeries and factories outsourcing food production and then hiding the ecocide they cause just out of sight of the villages and their carefully manicured streets.

what a terrible solution. so individualist its almost darwinian. it is also ecocidal in itself, by creating a world in which humans compete with animals, humans will kill animals. without farming, you are now competing with deer and whatever schmuck or tribe moves faster than you. theres a reason humans would go out and kill various ‘pest’ animals and predators: their existence demanded it at the time, for better or worse. the only way to buck this trend is with proper technology and planning. lets also just forget how many plants you need to feed a family sustainably, and also lets forget how much modern agriculture (and breeding, which you are taking advantage of when you grow these supposedly ‘natural’ plants, which oftentimes cant grow without perfect soil conditions given how altered they are, fuck lets forget that many forests have a severe dearth of any native food edible to humans) multiplies the productivity of plants, this plan is inherently genocidal. there is also a mention from ziq that seems to imply that complex forest ecosystems of the past were naturally more productive than agriculture. but why, then, did humans begin to cultivate plants? for funsies?

also, people do get tied up with literal family trees and demand protections of forests, this is common in most societies that are not settler-colonial and heavily urbanized

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mfw someone doesn’t want to conquer the bread

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No gods, no editors

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No. In January 2020 I emailed an administrator asking if I could submit something, and they basically said something like ‘Maybe, sure.’ So I pitched my thesis on Fascism to them. They never replied after that.

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It’s the NYT rule, to be a guest editor you must suck a certain amount to be allowed in.

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Fucking called it, the tankie hate is just anti-leftism

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This is why tankies and ancoms need to unite against anti-leftists, especially lifestyle anarchists who do so much damage to the cause.

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If any of you understood my positions, you very likely wouldn’t be tankies. You have to be incredibly obtuse and prone to cult-like obedience to dear leader to be a tankie.

People who dedicate themselves to being subordinate to the party elite will never understand anarchy or wrap their heads around critiques of the fatalistic left/right paradigm.

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Eh, as far as arguing goes, that ended way more amicably than my arguments with non-anarchists usually go.

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Very funny to see that, Db0 blocks lemmygrad and they’re being called a tankie???

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This now an AMA post.

@ziq@hexbear.net, how do you feel about showering with your homies? Personally, I can’t really respect a person until I’ve seen their hog.

e: pronoun correction

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I was wondering why they showed up to comment on this thread so much, with perfect “I’m not mad! You’re mad! You’re all just jealous!” energy.

NGL, wind has been taken out of my sails a bit, I thought this was ego driven, that they found this thread from constantly searching for mentions of raddle everywhere. Don’t really want to bully them now, they’re more pathetic and sad than anything.

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i’m convinced this site has rotted away all your critical thinking skills

you’ve become conditioned to parrot the party line and be rewarded for it, no matter how disconnected from reality it becomes. you need that dopamine hit of the collective praising you for owning the anarkiddies with your gulag memes

UwU daddy save me with your big strong tank

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Oh please, don’t act like everyone here is a tankie, I’m twice as big a liberal as you.

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you’ve become conditioned to parrot the party line and be rewarded for it, no matter how disconnected from reality it becomes.

Pretty rich coming from someone who parrots the US State Department’s line on every AES country and every successful revolution.

you need that dopamine hit of the collective praising you for owning the anarkiddies

Right, yeah, that’s sure what happens all the time on an instance where people get banned for being anti-anarchist, anti-anarchist sentiment will get a comment removed, and where a good number of the users, even some mods and “power users” are themselves openly anarchist. Yet you run a “community” that bans anyone and everyone with the slightest hint of support for those ebil AuThOrItArIaN socialist countries, and constantly post threads about how dumb and mean those theory-reading “tankies” are. Projection much?

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but where hog

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why so many alts.

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