Three plaintiffs testified about the trauma they experienced carrying nonviable pregnancies.
Heartbreaking
One of the plaintiffs in the suit, Samantha Casiano, vomited on the stand while discussing her baby’s fatal birth defect, which she said also put her life at risk.
Casiano said she learned at 20 weeks’ gestation that her baby had anencephaly, a serious condition that meant the infant was missing parts of her brain and skull. Casiano said her obstetrician told her the baby would not survive after birth and gave her information about funeral homes.
Casiano read aloud a doctor’s note that diagnosed her pregnancy as high risk, then began to sob and ultimately threw up, prompting the judge to call a recess.
Horrible laws written mostly by men against women. Men who will never and have never been affected by what they are prohibiting.
It’s so gross and infuriating.
Even though you’re right, I think this sentiment minimizes the horrific things the American christian right is doing.
I keep seeing multiple variations of this comment on every single lemmy post about christian conservatives. Idk if it’s like an astroturfing thing or what, but it normalizes these kind of fascist acts. We should be shocked. We should be surprised and outraged and insulted. The minute we’re not is when it becomes normal. And we know that’s dangerous af because we’re already watching it happen.
I read a story about an AI that was designed to save the world by telling humans what to do. The AI’s sentience was powered by taking in human souls. One of the AI’s moral directives was to feel empathy for any person it hurt. Since it was an AI designed to run the world, it would have to feel bad for hurting everyone in the world who ever died of a preventable cause. All the world’s pain and suffering, experienced by a single being possessing many souls.
So the AI came up with the solution that it would force the souls of sinners it took in to feel this agony, and that’s how it would remain ethical.
It invented hell.
Because a scientist told it that it ought to feel bad when people are hurt.
Men are the ones making the laws. And they have no idea about the biology. Take the politician from Ohio for example, who suggested that an ectopic pregnancy should be reimplanted into the uterus.
You say men as in like about 4 billion people are huddling in a room all evil like crunching up laws to make women’s lives worst which is certainly not the case.
Also kind of a moot point as the same minority of “men” as you say creating laws, also create laws that don’t benefit men in general at all.
As a man I find the biology interesting to learn. I’m pretty sure e topic is due to the womb not forming correctly is it not? I’m probably wrong, but atleast I know that its impossible to save an ectopic pregnancy
This is the actual Republican platform. They don’t care about if they’re right about biology. They care about getting power, full stop. In the pursuit of the ‘right’ people telling the ‘wrong’ people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the ‘wrong’ people from telling the ‘right’ people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder… anything goes.
Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).
https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx
41% of women identify as pro life according to that, and 47% of men. Much higher that I would have hoped. Either way hard to say that is all men.
This is NOT a men vs. women issue. It’s a conservatives vs. sane people issue. Joe Biden didn’t take away abortion access and Amy Coney Barrett did.
Specifically, laws written by straight, white, Republican men, for the sole purpose of gaining power over everyone who’s not straight, and everyone who’s not white, and everyone who’s not Republican, and everyone who’s not male… no matter how cruel the effects of the laws are. This is the actual Republican platform. In the pursuit of the ‘right’ people telling the ‘wrong’ people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the ‘wrong’ people from telling the ‘right’ people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder… anything goes.
Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).
I am surprised these Texas savages did not lock her up.
I guess I’ll side with
…body autonomy, and against female slavery. That’s what you meant to say. Right?
female slavery
Exaggerations like this end up hurting your cause rather than helping it. It shows that you need hyperbole to make your points, which just delegitimizes them. If you just stated things as they are, more people would appreciate your honesty and would be willing to consider your arguments. Banning abortion is authoritarian, harms women, and the bans don’t actually reduce abortion rates per the research. That’s all you need to say to have most people support you.
What else would you call women in this scenario? You’re literally worth less than a non-sentient proto-fetal clump. Even if that clump is going to kill you. Its like giving cancer the right to live and banning any attempts to remove it.
They’re literally forcing women to die. The intended effect isn’t to ban abortion, its part of a concentrated effort from far right christian white nationalists to reduce women to an enforced subservient breeding class. Have you ever paid attention to the rest of the shit these people say? They say loud and clear what they want all the time. They want to take away divorce rights, they want gender roles to become legally enforced in particular with regards to clothing and expression, they oppose women in politics and in the work force, they pathologically shame and degrade women based on perceived promiscuity or perceived lack thereof.
This isn’t a matter of just having people oppose abortion bans. If it was, we wouldn’t be here. If majority public opinion was what mattered, roe v wade would never have been overturned to begin with. Abortion bans are extremely unpopular even with many conservative voters. If you’re poor, you’re just fucked. You have no recourse whatsoever and a lot of people with complicated pregnancies will just die. If you can’t afford the cost of relocating yourself out of a red state then you have nothing. You have no alternative but to try an unsafe method in what is probably going to be a non-clinical setting. And even if you succeed and live you can be tossed in jail for having made a Google search and one family member who calls the police. These are laws meant to kill women. They are meant to cause widespread fear and suffering for women and girls. Legally women and girls are not equal to men, not in bodily autonomy or in health care or in human rights. These laws aren’t simply harming women, they’re murdering them.
And honest to God if someone is dissuaded from being pro women’s rights because they feel that a random person online has made an “exaggeration”, and so choose to instead support laws that murder women - then they’re a misogynist already in league with the fascists pushing these laws. You’re an enemy of women if for absolutely any reason you support a law that’s primary aim is to literally end women’s lives. Its time to stop dabbling in bullshit, the people who write the laws aren’t stupid they are 100% aware of what these laws do. They are aware of how it forces minors who have been r*d to carry pregnancies they are likely to die from. They know, the laws are written specifically so that will happen. There’s no ambiguity, there’s no exaggeration, these are laws written and created with the specific express intent to cause grievous bodily harm to, and outright murder, women.
You’ll get downvoted because Lemmy appears as left wing as reddit, but it’s true.
Y’all saying that all we want is to control women and enslave them is bullshit, they know our concern is about the life in the womans stomach, but always try to strawman that shit like we’re just heartless woman haters.
As a conservative, why would I ever want to discuss and come to the table to discuss hard issues like these, when I just get called shit like I see in this thread. And people thinking I’m a literal nazi for considering the life of the baby?
Then they have the audacity to ask why we’re so divided in this nation.
The women in the court? Not sure who you’re referring to or maybe I’m missing some information here. I thought they were women who became pregnant, were denied abortions, went through some heinous shit, and are suing the state in protest of a law that most people already don’t agree with. Kind of missing the ‘nutjob’ part of your thoughts…
On one hand, these “protestors” are mostly unhinged nutjobs.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read all week.
These types of laws are sick and barbaric and not indicitive of a civilised society! These woman should not have to revisit their trauma but they are fucking made to by a sick group of degenerates who make laws that the majority simply don’t want!
