But even some progressive gay white men say they feel alienated from a movement they see becoming more radical, particularly online, where the tenor of conversation is often uncivil.
Hot take: I’m honestly, vocally sick of settler-gay men who demand that you handle them with kid gloves when their entire existence within the community is an existence blanketed in microaggression at best, when they’re not being outright full-on macroaggressive about someone that ‘doesn’t fit their “preference”’; and I’m genuinely glad people are starting to talk about it.
But even some progressive gay white men say they feel alienated from a movement they see becoming more radical, particularly online,
Gen Xers getting old. Mad that the kids don’t want to assimilate. Acting like intersectionality has no place is erasing, uh, a lot of the people who were at Stonewall. No respect for conservative gay people of this type. Boggles the mind that you can be oppressed by the state like this, and then stop giving a shit the second you’re allowed to marry. Does the experience not give you ANY sympathy for anyone who isn’t a white, cis, able bodied, neurotypical man?
[Rosendall] said protesting police presence at Pride overlooks decades of work spent improving relations between the D.C. LGBTQ+ community and the police force; the department even has an LGBTQ+ liaison and is considered a model for inclusion.
Does the experience not give you ANY sympathy for anyone who isn’t a white, cis, able bodied, neurotypical man?
This goes all the way back to the early suffragette movement where voting rights were to be extended only to white middle/upper class women.
This is simply the core ideology of liberalism. Capitalism cannot function without social antagonism - someone has to be exploited. You literally cannot take that out of the equation. And if equality is extended to every social group, who else but one set of people are you going to blame the ills of society on?.
[Rosendall] said protesting police presence at Pride overlooks decades of work spent improving relations between the D.C. LGBTQ+ community and the police force; the department even has an LGBTQ+ liaison and is considered a model for inclusion.
the best part is the follow-up:
“There’s a risk of behaving in a totalitarian mindset,” he said.
freedom is when cops. totalitarianism is when no cops. It takes decades of work to reach a theoretical conclusion this profound
Yeeeeeah I don’t know what had me throwed more, the Gen Xers who tapped out as soon as they got the right to marry and started pulling the ladders up behind them, or that wretched invertebrate simpering for swine about “oh wah we spent so much time ‘improving relations’” when they should’ve been spending time leaving the swine in outlines. Just more evidence of settler-queers being the weakest link
[Rosendall] said protesting police presence at Pride overlooks decades of work spent improving relations between the D.C. LGBTQ+ community and the police force; the department even has an LGBTQ+ liaison and is considered a model for inclusion.
god go fuck yourself. if this is who I think it is, he stood between counterprotestors and literal neo-nazis celebrating at a bar - not with his own body, but by lining up other cops. even the fucking cops on the line had the decency to cry over what they were doing.
Oh yeah I 100% agree with this. Tbh I would extend this to damn near the entire LGBT community because I’ve faced some of the worst discrimination against me for being a sometimes impolite trans woman. There’s so many ‘queer housing collectives’ that are “AFAB only” because clearly trans women don’t need anywhere to live. This is a bit of a different issue (since I’m very white) but it personally drives my ass up the wall. The whole ‘having to treat people with kid gloves’ and microagression galore is something I have so much fucking experience with, and even run into on this site too sometimes 🙄
Uhh sweaty my ex boyfriend was abusive and yelled at me so I have trauma over hearing AMAB voices so speaking while trans in my presence is a misogynistic hate crime. No I’m not transphobic, why do you ask?
Oh my god I almost told you to kill yourself and then I realized what this was responding to and that you were doing a bit. Well done.
For real, it seems to be an awful idea to be anything less than perfectly polite as a trans woman. I do it sometimes by accident and sometimes deliberately… I haven’t experienced anything bad relating to this on here yet, but generally people lose their shit at you so quickly and with such ease.
I find the acceptance of my womanhood is often entirely contingent on my being subservient. I have actually had people hold that over me basically daring me to stand up for myself so they could revoke my womanhood.
Yeah, it’s the perfect example of transmysogyny. Women already suffer from being seen as “difficult and bossy” and “overly emotional and melodramatic” where a man showing the exact same behavior would be viewed as “assertive” and “strong-willed”. As a transfem, this gets compounded by our womanhood being doubted and made conditional in the first place.
They do hate it when you speak up for yourself, kinda like how misogynistic men in general seemed to hate it when women spoke up for themselves. Hmmm…
these “AFAB only” queer spaces are a nightmare for me as a masc-presenting trans woman. all semblance of allyship, even from other transpeople, goes straight out the window. i think the overall pervasiveness of transmisogyny in society makes it so that the TERFy “trans women are nasty men” narrative picks up traction even among other queer people.
This is probably a very specific form of discrimination but I’ve seen much more hatred towards pan people like myself from gay and lesbian people, even bi people, than from cishet people. That’s probably because homophobes don’t bother to learn what pansexuality is, but it’s very upsetting to me to have seen fellow queer people throw me under the bus because they think I’m 'looking for attention" or whatever.
To me, being pansexual means I’m attracted to people regardless of their gender, and being bisexual means I’m attracted to all genders. It’s a small difference to people who aren’t bi or pan but to me it’s very important. So seeing queer people say that I don’t fit in with them just makes me feel awful.
I feel like so many white, conservative gay people forget what it was like to exist as an LGBT person just 10 years ago
Intersectionality is so damn important
Well of course, but white liberals conceive of the world as whatever is happening in the west
Absurd to say, but we’ve gotten to a point where it’s no different than a straight man saying he’s LGBT. Like what exactly are you doing for LGBT liberation at this point besides being the equivalent of a scab?
Yes. Middle class gay and lesbians got a moment of peace and turned their back on everyone else. It’s been this way since the end of Stonewall.
Middle class gay and lesbians got a moment of peace and turned their back on everyone else.
Crazy that they pulled that shit and then turn around and act like they should still have a place at our table; like nah, they decided to go play collaborationist with the State Department and now these cracker motherfuckers are slapping rainbows on bombs and Stars of David on Pride flags. There’s no pride in it for me anymore; I’m ashamed these traitorous sellout motherfuckers are what the actual international community, no crackerverse sees Pride as.
Every time I see some settler-queer, Amerikan or Israeli, using the Pride flag as just another tool of gentrification, it makes the bile rise in my throat; leaves me in a state of “well fuck. No wonder they hate us, if our enemies present our standard to their enemies.”
it’s honestly why I don’t go to Pride. I went once and felt extremely out of place. it’s not a celebration of queerness. it’s too sanitized and gentified. they were celebrating cops and I felt sick.
the Floyd protests felt much more like actual Pride. virtually everyone who wasn’t Black was queer and every march took the time to remember the names of our dead, those who the cops senselessly kill again and again. we were there as a unified community in solidarity, not to support some fucking colonizers, slavers, or those who do their dirty work, but to spite them. that show of solidarity built deep inroads with the local Black community and we went back to our roots, remembering where Pride began.
I just wish it didn’t take one of our own getting hashtagged by swine to get that proper sense of solidarity, tho. It doesn’t surprise me-- I don’t forget where I am-- but it shouldn’t take a goddamn body, goddamn innocent blood, to get that same sense Pride was originally meant to enshrine.
I’ve had to get into open fights in LGBTQ+ safe spaces on campus about how the statement “it’s okay to be white” , i.e open Nazi propaganda positioning white people as a persecuted identity, was not something to take as a heartwarming message or something you’ve always wanted to hear.
There are explicitly anti-assimilationist and anti-pinkwashing Pride protests that were much smaller but sometimes they have been attended by big names and I tend to feel much safer in that crowd.
begging people to read The Gentrification of the Mind
check out https://hexbear.net/post/296565
comrade @notfutomes@hexbear.net started on an audiobook of it (and there’s an ebook link too), but they seem to have abandoned it for lack of interest or something
