Yes, you’re looking at ~92% tax right there. Final price jumped from ~113 dollars (584BRL) to ~220 dollars.

EDIT: A bit of clarification, when buying from abroad there’s a flat 60% federal tax if the thing + shipping price surpasses 50 dollars. Then there’s a state tax that can vary between 17-25%, which goes on top of the total taxed value. Part of the tax is literally “tax of a tax”

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Hey, free shipping.

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grátis.

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De graça

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Pakistan coming in with 50% phone tax + 18% 25% luxury item sales tax + 50% customs duty + 7% service fee + cash money you need to bribe customs to release your package + shipping & handling

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And I thought I had it bad in Germany (knew about brazilian already) with shipping + 19% import tax + 6€ import handling by DHL.

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Fortunately no 6€ handling fee for sellers using IOSS, like AliExpress.

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19% import tax

That’s import VAT, that is, if you import something they want to make sure that you’re paying the same 19% VAT as if someone else had imported it and then sold to you. Doesn’t apply to stuff under 22 Euro as the paperwork would cost them more than you owe.

There’s also import tariffs though most stuff, and in particular most electronics, don’t have any tariff applied, these are EU single market tariffs and not German in particular. The currently largest one seems to be e-bikes from specifically China, a total of 80% as an anti-dumping measure. Under usual circumstances tariffs tend to be under 20%, shoes with uppers from stuff other than leather about 17%, 10% on cars, 4% on leather clothing, lots of such stuff.

AliExpress really has that stuff figured out, they’re not fighting it any more, tons of issues in the past with Chinese sellers mis-labelling stuff to “save me money” which only meant that they got shitbinned by the Zoll and every single one of their parcels intercepted and inspected. They now have warehouses in the EU and do all the import handling when stocking them which means that the customer doesn’t have to interact with customs at all and orders arrive in a day or three.

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In these areas where bribes are so commonplace for all manner of interactions I just can’t help but wonder how it goes on so long without anyone being desperate enough and wild enough to just pull a gun or a knife and basically say, “My bribe payment to you is just do your damn job and I let you live.”

Or I guess maybe that does happen and then those people get disappeared.

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In India, usually they don’t demand a bribe. They will process your file slowly, with the understanding that you can speed it up by bribing them.

From what I understand, Pakistan does not properly regulate weapons. But it would still be rather stupid to threaten a public servant. If you are that sort of person, smiling at the official and remarking on his good health might be a better idea. A less aggressive trick is to let them think that you are from the press / have a camera or microphone / have marked currency.

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Have you heard that concept from sociology that the state, through its officials and representatives, holds exclusive rights to legitimately use violence?

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I guess this is supposed to stop you guys from buying stuff in USD, right?

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From buying stuff from abroad in general. If it’s imported, it can be taxed. Before Haddad (current economy minister), it was a gamble whether you’d be taxed or not, most of the time you weren’t. Now, “to combat contraband”, Aliexpress gave the thumbs up to this fucking stupid idea.

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Oh yeah great idea. To combat black market activity, let’s make the open market extremely expensive to use.

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I think the real irony is that, up to 1993, it’s safe to say 99% of all computers we had here were contraband, because the taxes back then were even more absurd. Never mind the hyperinflation of the time.

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You say that, but there’s effectively no black market for imports like PC parts.

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Worked at a trade expo years ago. Talked to Brazilians. Another issue they ran into is corruption.

They were doing their best to temporarily export stuff to Europe, but there were endless delays in Brazil, and sudden and unforseen ‘extra fees’ that needed to be paid to get stuff out of the country.

Guy wasn’t even angry anymore. Just sad. His fellow countrymen were undermining a Brazilian business out of sheer greed.

Incredibly short sighted too.

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Incredibly shortsighted too

That’s business. Cash now. The rest is fuck you, cash now.

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Don’t blindly believe everything people tell you. Quite often, the reason why these “entrepreneurs” have to pay bribes is because they didn’t go through official channels and/or don’t have the necessary permits to operate.

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This whole thread is best of Lemmy material but especially your comment!

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I.E. you’re saying you’re okay with tax fraud, is that right?

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Brazil’s government heavily pushes for things to be made there. A place I worked several years ago had an office there for some final assembly or something for products sold there.

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Thats a lie. This policy was negotiated mostly with the burgeouis resellers.

We have NO concrete plan to actually industrialize.

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Dude, Argentina recently updated this from 100% tax to 155%. We literally pay more to the government than the full price. And this is for every purchase, no matter the amount. Be thankful that your shitty politicians are less shitty than ours, you could be worse.

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“Be happy about your horrible situation because there are more horrible situations out there” is such a shitty take.

Basically you’re saying “unless you’re the single most unfortunate person on the planet, maybe even throughout all of human history, you should be happy”, which is obviously nonsense.

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Fallacy of relative privation (informal fallacy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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Be thankful and be happy are different things. “Wow, I’m thankful I’m not that fucked up like the guy over there. I should take steps to totally get away from the path that leads to that place.”

It’s like looking your future self in a mirror, you still can do something to get away from that bad omen.

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Well said, he literally misquoted you to get upset about nothing. Hope things get better for you guys over there.

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…I’m sure that dude that just got in charge will sort it out soon shudders

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lol, I genuinely don’t know if this is advanced sarcasm, good one

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You mean the libertarian one? The anarcho-capitalist?

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That is insane

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Have those tariffs been successful at building a domestic source for these kinds of things?

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Not even close.

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