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This is the best summary I could come up with:


Following what some conservatives view as legal victories on the battlegrounds of abortion rights and affirmative action, a number of politicians and influencers are turning their attention to another long-held construct: No-fault divorce.

It may not seem political on its surface, but the history of no-fault divorce in the US reveals a clear connection to these social issues and outlines why some feel so strongly about protecting it while others seek to tear it down.

“Cruelty – and more specifically, causing a spouse unneeded pain, whether emotional or physical — is typically the most common grounds for a fault divorce.,” says Thomas A. Ramuda Jr., a divorce attorney based in Colorado.

It wasn’t uncommon for couples to concoct scenarios together that would feign adultery, or for one party to move across state lines to fulfill legal requirements for fault claims like abandonment.

Husbands typically controlled a family’s finances, and the social stigma for seeking divorce — not to mention the difficult process of having to prove “fault” — was a major deterrent.

Conservative politicians and commentators, along with some religious and social groups, say unilateral divorce degrades the American family unit and adversely affects men, children, and the economy.


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If you believe that women are closer to being property than to being full and equal partners in a relationship, you don’t want them being able to exit a marriage without a fight.

Some of these idiots actually say that a woman shouldn’t be able to divorce without the husband’s permission. Crazy and gross.

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The irony being that spouse murder rates notably dropped after the majority of the US legalized no-fault divorces. If a woman can’t escape a toxic marriage legally, she’s more likely to just murder you instead (and before anyone jumps in to patronize, I realize how terrible it used to be for many women and we should fight against any toxic, regressive policies like this).

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My understanding is murder dropped on both sides, but it was a bigger drop in the deaths of the wives. Women are more able to get away from abusive husbands with a no fault divorce - they don’t have to go to court and prove the abuse. Abusive relationships often escalate over time, and can end in death if the abused doesn’t get out.

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I believe you’re right, it’s been awhile since I read an article that discussed the topic. Bottom line: Advocates of rescinding no fault divorces can shut the hell up and keep their draconian ideas to themselves.

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I have an amazing anecdote about a friend who was working hospice who had an ancient lady tell her about how she (the old lady) killed her first husband for being an abusive dick.

She laughed the whole time.

It was later proven true.

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That’s NOT what being Pro Life means SOCIALIST! Who cares about PEOPLE when there’s FETUSES to worry about?

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Its too easy? Fuck you. I want to be able to text a number and boom my divorce is filed. Republicans once again proving their the party of piss babies and iron fists. Maybe if you all weren’t so completely revolting in your souls you’d find someone that wishes to intertwin with it.

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Republicans as iron-fisted piss babies is perfect.

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Technically if you don’t have any disputed assets or kids to traumatize, you can pretty much get divorced online these days. There a bunch of online legal services websites out there who will send you boilerplate to fill out and then file it for you for under $1000.

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Yes. That’s how no-fault divorce works. The point is, they don’t want that at all, for anyone, regardless of assets or children. They want wives to be the property of men, unable to get a divorce.

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Those services are scams. At least in my state, the court’s website includes a boilerplate form to fill out free of charge.

Having said that, even if there is no dispute, if you have sizable co-mingled assets/liabilities (such as a house and mortgage, effectively comingled retirement savings, etc), you should probably still get professional help even if you agree in principle how to divide them.

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My first divorce was far easier than that. We decided to divorce, no kids or property or fighting, and did it for $0.

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It’s so perfectly appropriate that that abusive piece of shit Steven Crowder opposes no-fault divorce. He’s just such a vivid example of the sort of emotionally stunted manchild who opposes it and of why they oppose it, and thus of why it has to continue to exist.

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Well that was hard to watch. Already didn’t like this dickhead but now I reeeally don’t like ‘im

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If this was the “wifely duties” one, the dog needed some meds which a pregnant woman can’t touch. Affects the fetus. He wanted her to put on gloves so she could do it. What a POS. If that stuff could affect my kid I wouldn’t want it anywhere near my wife.

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That is the gloves thing? I wondered.

Yeah, what a lazy selfish POS. Their first kid I’m guessing? He probably is the type to ‘not do diapers’ too.

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Let’s be real here. It’s not that conservatives, conservative men specifically, want to get rid of no-fault divorce. In Crowder’s case, his wife has pretty compelling evidence that Steven emotionally abused his wife.

Conservatives would use no fault divorce to separate from “mouthy” women in a heartbeat if the threat of it would keep them in line.

They hate that a law exists that can be used against them.

They believe they should not be bound by the law of a no fault divorce but would have zero problem using it if it served their interests.

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

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