This has been a decade of Western powers realizing they aren’t militarily invincible. I was told that NATO weapons would obliterate the inferior Russian hordes, Americans would dominate the Taliban entirely, that Israel would grind Palestine into dust within the first week.

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Calling Russia’s bluff in regards to NATO joining Ukraine is going to be remembered by historians as the pivotal event of the 21st century in my opinion. Until then, it was simply assumed that NATO was the strongest military force in the world, and that it could not be challenged. Even the humiliation that US suffered in Afghanistan wasn’t enough to dispel the myth. And then we saw that Russia could take a NATO proxy all on its own, and that full NATO backing didn’t make a lick of difference. Not only that, but it turned out that the G7 couldn’t isolate Russia economically either. All of a sudden the sanctions regime fizzled and we’re now seeing large parts of the world moving away from the dollar.

Now that NATO has depleted itself in Ukraine, it’s a question of how much actual support can even be provided to Israel. The reality is that Israel doesn’t have a huge industrial base of its own the way Russia does, and if they end up getting mired in Gaza, they will quickly run through their existing stocks of weapons at which point they could see themselves in an operational crisis. We might actually see Palestine finally freed at the end of all this.

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full NATO backing didn’t make a lick of difference

We’re seeing what “full NATO backing” really means: we’ll sell you weapons, but we’re not dying for you or risking a wider war. That’s a lot less valuable than what NATO was sold as.

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To be fair, Ukraine is technically not part of NATO, but I really can’t imagine that the level of support would be significantly different if an actual NATO member was under attack.

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Now that NATO has depleted itself in Ukraine, it’s a question of how much actual support can even be provided to Israel. … We might actually see Palestine finally freed at the end of all this.

I vacillate on this point. Isn’treal, with US backing, has more than enough bombs and fuel to completely ethnically cleanse Gaza, which I believe is its primary goal. What it lacks is the ability to wage an actual war against a state like Iran. Iran is never going to start that war, and in any case, Isn’treal has nukes that it wouldn’t bat an eye about using.

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There are limits to what you can do with bombing in practice. If you want to hold territory then you have to put boots on the ground sooner or later. And of course, Hamas now has a very extensive tunnel system all over Gaza. This is a great watch on how difficult it is to counter such tunnels. So, all IDF can do is just massacre civilians, and then the whole world sees these atrocities making it very difficult for their western sponsors to continue providing support.

I also don’t expect that Iran would want an open war, I think it’s much more likely that there’s going to be a lot of asymmetric warfare happening. We’re also starting to see attacks on shipping from Yemen which could cause serious economic damage in the long term as well.

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Now that NATO has depleted itself in Ukraine, it’s a question of how much actual support can even be provided to Israel. The reality is that Israel doesn’t have a huge industrial base of its own the way Russia does, and if they end up getting mired in Gaza, they will quickly run through their existing stocks of weapons at which point they could see themselves in an operational crisis. We might actually see Palestine finally freed at the end of all this.

Unironically big if true. If the resistance’s homebrew weapon production can outproduce Israeli arm industry in the long run, even by a little, there is no way Israel will hold.

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There already huge stockpiles of weapons in Gaza, so I don’t think there even needs to be active production. People are speculating that Israel already lost hundreds of tanks in just a month, and having seen a bunch of videos of RPGs being used successfully I think that’s very plausible. Urban environment is absolutely terrible for tanks because you can have a guy with an RPG hiding in every building, and it’s impossible to see them until it’s too late. There are even videos of guys running right up to the tanks to put explosives right on them. This is how bad situational awareness is for Israelis. Such rate of loss is absolutely unsustainable. Each tank takes millions of dollars and many months to produce, and if it can be blown to shit with using cheap RPGs that’s a total clusterfuck from Israeli perspective.

Yemen is also becoming a big problem for Israel because they’re attacking shipping, and Israeli economy is already under stress from the war because they had to mobilize a bunch of people. It’s entirely possible that Israel is headed for an economic crash in the near future. It seems like this was a huge miscalculation by the zionists, and they don’t really have any real plan now.

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45 points

Bad news for NATO means good news for the rest of the planet.

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…They’re going to have to stop at just taking Crimea rather than push all the way to Moscow?

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11 points

Ukrainian liberation forces will stop at Moscow instead of pushing on to Vladivostok :(

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35 points

I’m thinking a wide collapse of the front due to shortages in munitions and personnel

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33 points

That’s a very real possibility at this point. NATO is admitting they simply don’t have any more weapons left to give, and as we’re seeing with mass mobilization of children, women, and the elderly, Ukrainian manpower has now been depleted now. The reality is that people conscripted off the street without any training aren’t going to be able to effectively fight a seasoned professional army even if they did get all the weapons they need.

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31 points

The copium is also running out.

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21 points

United States Strategic Copium Reserve

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7 points

Pretty sure that Stancil guy is single handedly burning through that reserve by coping about how the economy is good, actually.

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13 points

NATO would still give Ukraine just enough to avert this, but no more offensives are possible.

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6 points

Various NATO countries have been digging into their own special reserves of munitions already. I wonder how much there actually is left to give.

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22 points

What kind of bad news exactly? Any ideas?

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37 points

My guess is that Russia is likely to go on a serious offensive soon, and whatever is left of the Ukrainian army is not going to be able to hold that back. At that point the whole stalemate narrative is going to start collapsing because Russia will start taking serious amounts of territory.

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I don’t think Russia is able to do a significant offensive soon. The war is basically WW1 with tanks and drones now, more likely it will draw on with Ukraine going the way of Paraguay in the War of Triple Alliance.

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Thing is that Ukraine is now running out of ammunition, that the west can no longer supply in quantity, as well as trained and motivated soldiers. The whole point of running a war of attrition is to break the other army as opposed to take territory. As Mearsheimer explains in this article. The war has been primarily an artillery battle, and Russia has been firing something like 10x as much artillery as Ukraine. So, the losses are disproportionately on the Ukrainian side. Once the professional core of the Ukrainian army is gone, it’s not going to be possible for Ukraine to keep holding the line.

It’s worth noting that the whole offensive the west pushed Ukraine into this summer was a huge gift for the Russians because it drastically accelerated the whole process.

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36 points

Zelenskyy’s penis has fallen off.

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26 points

Ukraine’s victory is merely overwhelming, rather than extraordinary

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19 points

Ill tidings, bodings of inopportune augury. I think a spring loaded toilet seat would avoid pissy seats left down at bars and other public places.

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