Tried for a neutral source, but most importantly, Hamas shot first.

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From the article:

Driving the news: According to the ceasefire agreement, Hamas committed to releasing all the women and children it was holding hostage in exchange for a pause in fighting for up to nine days. More than 80 women and children were released over the last week as part of this process.

Yes, but: In the hours leading to the end of the pause, Hamas did not send a list of hostages it would release, the three Israeli officials said.

Instead, Hamas sent messages through Qatari and Egyptian mediators proposing to start a discussion on what concessions Israel would be willing to give in return for the release of elderly men, the officials added. Behind the scenes: The Israeli officials said Israel made it clear to the mediators that it knows Hamas still has several women in its custody and that it would not discuss future deals before all the women were released.

Mossad chief David Barnea, the lead negotiator on the Israeli side, sent a message to Hamas through the mediators on Thursday night that stressed Israel was “not playing games” and that if the women were not released, the fighting would resume, a senior Israeli official said. Not long after that Hamas launched a rocket from Gaza for the first time since the pause started. An hour later the ceasefire completely broke down. The U.S. has also publicly blamed Hamas for the collapse of the ceasefire. The other side: Hamas official Osama Hamdan told Al-Araby news channel that Israel was responsible for the failure. He said that the women Israel proposed to be released included female IDF soldiers.

Hamdan added that Israel refused any other offer made. Hamas in a statement said it had offered to release elderly men and two Israeli hostages, as well as the bodies of hostages it said were killed during Israeli airstrikes in Gaza. The bodies included a mother and her two children, the statement added. Hamas said it offered to release the father of the children so that he could attend their funeral.

Violence during ceasefire:

Eighteen Palestinians have been killed and at least 20 others injured by the Israel Defence Forces during an hours-long daytime raid on Jenin city and its refugee camp in the occupied West Bank.

In the latest escalation in violence on the West Bank, occurring against the background of Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza, the IDF said an airstrikehit an armed squad of men in the city.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/10/israeli-forces-kill-palestinians-in-daytime-raid-in-west-bank?utm_source=pocket_mylist

AP reports that Israeli troops fatally shot two Palestinians and wounded 11 others as they headed toward [their homes in] the main combat zone in northern Gaza despite warnings by the Israeli army to stay put.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231124-israel-shoots-at-displaced-palestinians-trying-to-return-home-to-north-gaza/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/2-palestinians-killed-11-wounded-trying-to-reach-north-gaza-despite-idf-warnings-ap/

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but most importantly, Hamas shot first.

If I recall, you yourself have previously said “he started it” was not a valid excuse.

So why are you now highlighting it as important?

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Hamas is just trying to delay. The longer they can delay, the less likely Israel can continue with all the troops.

Hamas shit first by starting the war. Israel needs to go in and clean house now. Otherwise, in six months they’ll be doing this again.

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I think what they’re hoping for the US to get involved proper, because they know how to abuse our ROE. We have our ROE for a reason, but having to go around waiting to get shot is a losing tactic, and they know it.

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At some point the UN needs to step in and put a peace keeper on every corner of every street in Gaza.

That is one of my main problems with the UN, all talk, no action. We are witnessing mass murder of the people of Israel, and the UN does nothing.

If people think it’s genocide against the Palestinians (It is not), then they should welcome the UN to come in and root out Hamas and restore order.

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We are witnessing mass murder of the people of Israel, and the UN does nothing.

If people think it’s genocide against the Palestinians (It is not)

If 2,000 dead Isrealis equates to genocide/mass murder, how does 15,000 dead Palestinians not count as genocide/mass murder?

then they should welcome the UN to come in and root out Hamas and restore order.

Yeah, because UN peacekeeping forces have never abused their power once.

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