Why don’t EVs have standard diagnostic ports—and when will that change? | OBD-II was implemented to monitor emissions, but EVs don’t have tailpipes.::OBD-II was implemented to monitor emissions, but EVs don’t have tailpipes.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But most call an ALDL the OBD-II port because it provides everyone from engineers at proving grounds to dealership technicians to shade tree mechanics a connection to the vehicle’s software and diagnostic systems.
Modern onboard diagnostics, or OBD-II, became a standardized and mandatory part of every automobile sold in the United States, starting with the 1996 model year.
The ALDL port originated from General Motors in the early 1980s in its pursuit to produce systems and diagnostics for its cars to meet new government emissions regulations.
By the late '80s, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) got involved and mandated that all 1991 model-year or newer cars sold there must include an onboard diagnostics system to manage and control emissions.
But as EVs become more mainstream, they include a variety of sensors and systems to keep everything running optimally, oftentimes more than any internal combustion engine-powered vehicles.
Part of California’s sweeping set of rules for cars sold in the state requires EVs, hydrogen fuel cells, and Plug-in Hybrids to follow a similar diagnostics standard, much like OBD-II did 30 years earlier.
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I just assumed they had an OBD-II port
Honestly it’s such a stupid idea to not have a standard diagnostic port in there especially considering the standard has already existed for over 20 years
It is. But also it makes ev owners crawl back to the dealer or manufactures to get their car fixed
What would they diagnose?
Combustion Engine? Don’t have one. Transmission? Don’t have one. Emission Control System? Don’t have emissions. Spark Plugs? Nope. Fuel System? No. Exhaust? No. Alternator? No. Battery charger? you can see that on the dashboard. Starter motor? Nope. Battery Status? Also on the dashboard. Vehicle speed… on the dash. Engine idle… no. Air Flow Sensor? No air flow. Intake Manifold Pressure… no intake. Throttle position… only really relevant if you have a clutch or torque converter which EVs don’t have (you would notice, very quickly, if the throttle position detected pressing the pedal when you’re not pressing it in an EV…
That’s the list of standard ODB-II diagnostics. Some cars do more than that, but those are the ones they have to do. And none of them are relevant.
This is also a important example of how much less crap there is in a electric vs ICE vehicle.
Yes the battery materials are mined (so are many other things) but the sheer subtraction of these various mechanisms from a electric vehicle greatly reduces the environment impact not to mention a great reduction in fluids required.
Dealers hate this one hack as the service requirements are fairly low too.
There are also idiots claiming we should ban electric vehicles because they charge on an unclean grid
I actually saw a petition for this is my country’s local government website
Reporting error codes for specific parts of the battery, errors in the coolant system, error codes for specific sensors throughout the vehicle, etc
Or considering basically all EVs I’ve seen have some big screens rather than gauges perhaps having the ability to put the vehicle in a diagnostic mode that will display error codes and allow you to check on specific sensors (like read the heath of each individual battery cell for example) without the need for an external device to check
Basically having the ability to fix something that we bought ourselves rather than having to go to the dealership to get it fixed and hope that they’ll still service a vehicle of whatever age I bring in
This is kinda a weird question. What happens when a car has an extra sensor most other cars don’t have? The system adapts. Not to mention, most cars put out some unique info regardless, which is why you need to enter (or auto scan for) the make and model before all values are properly readable.
OBDII has standard info that’s the same from one brand to another but it also transfers proprietary info that depends on the reader having the ability to interpret it.
My OBDII Bluetooth dongle lets me get diagnostic codes for much more than emission systems (using Car Scanner app where you choose the type of car you’re diagnosing) and it also allows me to reprogram car features with the right app (ex adding an Europe only feature to a Canadian BMW i3 with Bimmercode). It would be perfectly adapted as an EV diagnostic port.
My OBDII Bluetooth dongle lets me get diagnostic codes
Hell I just use mine to collect data in general. Torque (https://torque-bhp.com/) is effectively my second dashboard for all the information that the normal dash doesn’t show. I have a hybrid… Half of my dials are related to the hybrid system. Anyone that says that OBD is only related to combustion engines are ignorant.
This is what someone with absolutely no knowledge of info you can bed from those ports is.
So just to name a few:
Battery temp, cell resistance, charge level of each cell, throttle position, abs info, wheel rpm, blendor actuator position, ac activation, heater power draw, “and more”.
Imagine having a computer you could never run diagnostics of any kind on, or even get to check into what you thought was wrong. That’s half of what an EV is.
Fiat 500e at least has an obd 2 connector, though it seems like it it speaks a different language.
I would be surprised at that; my understanding is OBD-II is just a breakout for the vehicle’s CAN bus.
Fiat implemented a “firewall” for their port, without the right device you cannot connect to it.
It was implemented to prevent thefts, people hack the car through the ODB port or through the CAN bus connection.
Its easier for them to lock down access rather than fix the fact you can drive a keyless car without the key.
Established manufacturers could technically ditch the port on EV models, but they don’t because they have other models which are still ICE, so they need it there. Many of the modules are shared between models, so they use the same bus when it’s ICE, hybrid, or EV.
My i3 has an OBD-II port, and it’s not the only EV that has one. Bimmercode can change A LOT of vehicle settings through the port, and software like ABRP can use it to read out the battery level and route you to the next charger when needed.
It’s ridiculous that we’re only now talking about standards for electric cars (by the way, for this example, legacy manufacturers already use OBDII in their EV so it’s more a “Why Tesla don’t use OBDII like everyone else?” question), that should have been done as soon as they started getting popular. Sit down the manufacturers and the government together and come to an agreement on a standard for diagnostics and to charge the car, don’t wait over a decade to finally do it!
The latest connector for obd2 was standardized around 1997. Gas vehicles existed long before that.
This will change when will get modular cars and open source versions of common modules. I.e. never.
