Excited to find the western chauvinists in this community.
Edit: Wow apparently the only people on chapo dot chat are whitees unaffected by and benefiting from their imperialism confidently declaring how the perpetrators are to be treated.
Y’all have some nerve
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ITT If you shoot a black kid in the back in downtown Baltimore I want nothing to do with you. If you perfarate an entire back family in Mogadischu or Baghdad that’s ok, you did growth and spaces.
People forget that one of original lines of the Internationale were “Our bullets are for our own generals”
EDIT: You know what, no, that’s not the post. Does anyone remember who the most effective activists against the Vietnam War. The Vietnam Veterans Against War. The conservatives literally had to concoct a mythology that anti-war activists fucking hated the troops to the point that they spit on returning veterans.
Bourgeois professional militaries literally have their own inherent class divide in officers vs enlisted.
The entire reason historical wars became so unpopular was because of drafts and conscription, which is inherently polarizing due to affecting different segments of society unequally based on class. Conscripted armies are literally a means of socialization and consciousness-forming for the working class in the exact same way concentrated industrial enterprises are. Conscript armies become pressure cookers for class-based social unrest and dissent. This is precisely the reason they abolished the draft after Vietnam and will never actually reinstitute it. Just like police, professional volunteer-only militaries inevitably become hotbeds of reaction and hubs for reactionary indoctrination, pitting the professional soldiers and professional cops against cowardly, soft “civilians”.
Communism is when you declare individual moral culpability for their role as cogs in an oppressive machine and the more you declare it the more communister it is. In fact, Marxism is 100% about the moral veracity of individual actions. That’s why Engels was an evil counterrevolutionary for continuing to manage a factory his father owned despite claiming to be a “”“Communist”“” and Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai were reactionaries since they are products of the exploitative Chinese landowning class.
You dumb fuck. Can you read? Where is the talk of “counterrevolutionary” or “reactionaries”. Engels, Mao and Enlai wouldn’t fly into mad rage like you if someone insulted them for being landlords or capitalist. They’d probably join in.
Lol literally all of my comments have been sarcastic, why do you think I’m raging? I’m not a troop, never have been one and never will be one and I’ve even cucked troops on more than one occasion lol. I just think it’s funny as fuck that people on twitter dot com love stirring the pot and think making moral judgements is praxis.
Answer my question, what is the goal of a left wing movement in your mind?
Answer my question, what is the goal of a left wing movement in your mind?
I’m not taking the bait. If you have something to say say it.
I’m perpetually fascinated by people here who tout ACAB while also twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse soldiers. I guess being complicit in a system that terrorizes the poor, minorities, and marginalized groups while acting as armed forces of capital is bad on US soil, but excusable overseas? Am I understanding this right?
That would only be a fair comparison with veterans and ex-cops.
And be honest, how likely is it that an ex-cop has actually reformed?
The only ex-cops that I might trust are those that quit as whistle-blowers; or that were minorities policing minority neighborhoods in attempts at harm reduction or something like that.
Yeah, that’s all I’m really commenting on here. This site seems to reject cops pretty quickly but puts a lot of effort into embracing vets and I’m asking what real difference is between the two groups, outside of average age
One difference is the people they’re trained to oppress.
Cops are trained to oppress their own countrymen. Soldiers are trained to oppress people on the other side of the world.
It’s why in revolutions we see the military flip long before cops do. Cops are always the last holdouts.
1.) Cops can quit
2.) Cops are a completely separate class of petty landless warriors who are distinct from American society. They have class interests that differ from both the working class and bourgeois due to their unique position as the only habitually armed class in society.
3.) Vets are almost all working class upon leaving the military.
ACAB applies to people who are currently cops, if they are “good” and quit, then they are no longer cops.
I occasionally see posts from here with army recruiters sending texts to schoolkids and the weird troop worship you have.
If I’d grown up as skint and fucked up as I was in the UK at 16 in the US instead with your lack of healthcare and in a really shit environment I would have taken the first genuine shot of escaping I could.
That would probably have been the army tbh.
So here’s a question: There are vets in our ranks, is this good or bad?
