the Logitech F710 is a solid controller to get if you’re on a tight budget, but perhaps not exactly the type of equipment you want to stake your life on. […] Reviewers on sites like Amazon frequently mention issues with the wireless device’s connection.

The reporter, who followed an expedition of the Titan from the launch ship, wrote that “it seems like this submersible has elements of MacGyver jerry-riggedness.”

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Personally I think the best case scenario is for it to have imploded and they all died instantly. Any other option seems like torture to me.

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That’s my fear in this case, and it can be occurring at the surface or down below - not sure which is worse.

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Floating on the surface is only barely better than stranded deep underwater, there’s no hatch for them to open so they’ll still be limited by oxygen and there’s no locator beacon that might help rescuers find them.

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Well the sub can’t be opened from the inside, so if they’re floating on the surface they’ll still run out of air if not found. And people really underestimate how hard it is to find small craft in the ocean. You’re looking for a needle in a haystack, with the added twist that the ocean currents move stuff around so the search area grows

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I hope the best for them as well, but even if they make it to the surface, they can still suffocate because they’re bolted in from the outside.

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Also of interest via this blog is this statement from OceanGate about why their subs aren’t classed.

innovation often falls outside of the existing industry paradigm.

Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation.

If I wanted to can and sell hubris, I know where to source it from now.

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“Move fast and break things” maybe doesn’t apply too well to submarine design.

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Especially when the previous smaller version of the same design, with the same materials, had problems with it coming apart a few years back.

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At my old job the director of my department had a poster up that said “move fast and break things”, but he also demanded 99.9999% uptime.

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I relate a bit too much to this… agile when convenient as well.

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That’s a hard agree. I work in a highly regulated industry and literally every new dude who joins the company says some version of “I don’t see why we can’t just…” and proceeds to describe some moderately to highly illegal shit. Every single one.

It’s wild. I think they honestly believe they’re the first person to think up these completely obvious and simple “solutions” to problems that require some degree of control and complexity.

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If you can’t imagine why someone built the fence then leave it alone until you do.

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innovation often falls outside of the existing industry paradigm.

Lol, the fuck is this even supposed to mean? Just say regulations. You know, honesty, with a touch of bullshit at the end.

Something like:

"Regulations are too difficult to deal with when you’ve got a substandard machine which wouldn’t pass any of the requisite safety tests.

If someone happens to die, we’ve determined this to be acceptable collateral.

This is also known as innovation."

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The good news is, the hubris is already in a can. The bad news is, the can is several thousand feet under the North Atlantic.

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Water and an X-Box controller. What could possibly go wrong?

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Well, if there’s water inside the sub you probably have more serious problems to deal with.

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To be fair at that depth if there’s water inside the sub you have 0 problems to deal with because you are dead

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I was about to defend this (the US military uses XBox controllers for subs & drones), but then I saw that it was off-brand. No excuse for that.

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Same, we use XBox controllers to operate remote cameras for pipeline inspections and they usually survive far longer than is reasonable considering some of the abuse we put them through. That being said, I have no idea about the quality of Logitech, but at the very least they should have had a backup controller available as it would have a small footprint and be a huge failsafe.

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Amazon Link

2 AA batteries required. (included)

They forgot to change the batteries before sending the sub out 💀

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Can’t rely on the batteries they include, they’re usually cheap with maybe 40% charge.

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Or they accidently packed AAA instead.

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Man. That’s the control you give to your little brother because you don’t want him to get the good control all sticky.

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