88 points

They basically all did it, some just got caught earlier. I said it back when they all hit on Volkswagen: It is not like that all the other companies have found the magic trick to get emissions miraculously down, and just VW was to stupid to find it somehow, and had to cheat. This time it’s Cummins they caught. All you have to do is look closely, and you’ll find that they cheat, because in reality, none of them have that magic trick.

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21 points

That’s what diesel exhaust fluid is for, it reduces NOx emissions.

The VW engines were small and didn’t have DEF, so everyone was like “how did you reduce NOx enough to meet U.S. EPA standards?” And VW was like “we’re just super smart like that”, which turned out to be bullshit.

Cummins knew better and had better emissions controls available, so this is full on stupid on their part.

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in reality, none of them have that magic trick.

Yes they do. It’s called an electric motor. But that requires revitalizing infrastructure in order to accommodate fast charging across an urban landscape so utility trucks can top up whenever needed. And, of course, a company like Cummins being willing to make them.

But we can’t get off that oil teat.

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2 points

It’s called walking, better than any car. Having cars in major cities is so stupid. And before you say contractors need to have trucks, sure the do. But, I’m tired of companies sending out service vehicles to make almost 200 mile round trips, just so the competitor doesn’t get the job.

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11 points

This is about utility vehicles, which are needed in cities even with robust transportation systems. Cargo still needs to be hauled the last mile.

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3 points

Okay and everywhere else?

I’d love for cities to go full on mass transit. Even bringing in light freight to business areas so restaurants and the like could just use a handcart. But there’s a lot of people and businesses in the US that will never cover.

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Although these trucks are regularly bought just for vanity, they’re also the go-to trucks for cross country hauling. And regardless of infrastructure, current electric tech doesn’t do so hot there.

Although, part of their draw compared to others in their class was that they had the “best engines”…

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You still need to get that electric from somewhere and like half the country still runs on either coal or oil.

Earlier this year I saw that NY State is outlawing gas stoves and gas and oil (hot water) heaters in new residences. The funny thing is that NY State gets over 50% of its energy from oil fired energy plants. So instead of smaller places using gas and oil maybe a few times a day, they’re going to be putting increased loads on an already stressed system (at least in the case of NYC, where this is largely targeted since it contains a good amount of the state’s population). They’re not really helping anything.

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29 points

Electric appliances are generally more efficient than appliances powered directly by non renewable sources though. And a single oil/gas powerplant is probably more energy efficient than thousands of individually gas and oil powered appliances. So just changing to electric appliances will already reduce emissions.

And it sets the city up to upgrade to renewable energy in the future.

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9 points

You probably don’t know that having a gas stove in your house is the benzene/cancer equivalent of a cigarette smoker sitting in your fucking kitchen blowing smoke in your face while you cook dinner.

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A. That powerplant is far more efficient

B. There’s no reason NY can’t change to renewable sources.

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Do you know what these cheat devices actually do? They retune the engine for better emissions at the cost of fuel efficiency or performance. So they actually could have the lower emissions, but it would mean they would miss a fuel efficiency target and the customers might not buy it. It’s not a magic trick or impossible at all - it’s just an engineering trade off.

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44 points

If I’m doing my math right, $1.675B/630k vehicles is around $2.5k/vehicle. Barely cutting into the profits on what I assume is Dodge’s most successful line.

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The shocking part about this is that they installed a dedicated defeat device and expected no one to notice. Come on guys, cars are software, if you want to end run the emissions standards just write more creative code.

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17 points

that’s literally what vw did

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9 points

Yes, but poorly. And even then it took at least 8 years to get caught. With a little creative thinking in the software design, there’s little chance another attempt would ever be discovered.

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3 points

Well here’s hoping they don’t do that

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3 points

And then there’s no admission of wrongdoing in the settlement. Wtf

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29 points

We can’t let our customers access the EMS! They’ll spoof emissions! /s

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7 points

Maybe 1% of 1% of people would actual play with their cars and tune them. Even then, most wouldn’t make the cars into polluting machines.

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6 points

I think it’d be significantly more than that, but that’s probably bias from the kind of people I tend to be around. I’m thinking maybe as much as 5%.

That said however, we do have the assholes who like to “roll coal”.

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28 points

I wonder if enforcing the destruction of human-viable-planet could be considered either

  • Crime Against Humanity

or, an

  • Act of Terrorism

They escalate to kill more of the next-generation,

then ENFORCE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR ACTUAL CRIME, if integrity is still any part of the “law” that is held to “rule”.

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Oh, haha, first time in capitalism, huh?

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