37 points

Are there enough centrists who were elected to inevitably collaborate with the fascists to create a majority?

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Thankfully, enough parties have pledged not to coalition with the far right that it looks like they’ll be boxed out of power. Most likely outcome seems to be Sanchez’s center-left party allying with further-left parties and regional / secessionist parties to form a minority government.

Things could still fuck up during coalition negotiations, but for now I’m cautiously optimistic. Probably the best possible outcome, given the circumstances.

(Also the far right party lost half its seats in Parliament, lmaoooooooo)

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4 points

Not so much, these are only had changed to the PP, almost the same crap. 20 less in one side and 20 more on the other. Luckily they have not achieved an absolute majority, this would have catapulted us to the 70s.

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20 points

Enlightened centrist moment™

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Enlightened centrist: What is my purpose?
Rick: You collaborate with the fascists.
Enlightened centrist: Oh my god

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32 points

That’s just insane that the far right took a hit after polls showing them growing in popularity

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124 points

It’s insane that a country which suffered so much under a fascist dictatorship would want to return fascists to power.

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82 points

As soon as people who remember it start dying off, the fascist apologists start coming out.

It’s like how anti-vax can grow because nobody in the young generations met anyone with polio.

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Also I think that nostalgia works in a way where we remember more good times than hardships; humans are good adapting to any bullshit situation to the point we can call it comfortable and finally we look kindly to the past because old people remember mostly being young and healthy above all (despite not making this link mentally).

That’s why everyone has this nostalgia for their youth, not because the 60s or 80s where a good time.

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20 points

Imagine if Hitler had won. That’s what happened in Spain. Francisco Franco governed for 40 years, till he was too old and sick to keep doing so. He never faced any consequences and died of old age.

During all those years he indoctrinated the new generations and set a precedent, culturally. So even though more than a hundred thousand people suffered and died under his dictatorship, he still has a lot of supporters that are very vocal about it and his influence still permeates spanish society nowadays. You could look up “franquismo cultural” if you’re interested.

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4 points

Don’t forget the right wing media and almost all politicians of the PP are members of the OPUS, as say, spokesmen of the catholic church.

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Making short-sighted decisions to obtain results quickly is just human nature.

Fascists, populists and demagogues exploit this flaw in human nature to rise up. They promise big things using big words to masses of people who are uneducated, jaded, or both.

Some people in Spain, like in many other countries right now (USA, Greece, Italy…) are turning to fascism because they feel squeezed dry and let down (unemployment, Covid economic hangover, inflation, etc.) by their current governments, so they run to the people sat in the opposite (or most extreme) end of the political spectrum hoping they can turn things around.

With such a simplistic, binary mindset, coupled with a younger generation of voters who have not experienced what it’s like to live in a fascist country, it’s no wonder fascism and belligerent nationalism are gaining traction in the West. I just hope we can turn things around before more European countries follow on Hungary’s steps.

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5 points

It’s not primarily the younger voters going fash though. Otherwise I mostly agree with your comment.

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4 points

Which is ironic, because the rights those people have, like unemployment, WILL go away if the far-right wins, and they’ll be worse off.

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If you want to understand why an opposing force gains ground look at what the force in power is doing.

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19 points

Okay, so Italy, Spain, Finnland, UK and what other European countries are electing fascists? It almost seems like there’s a connection here.

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18 points

Wait for the next election in Germany, our local fascists are currently polling at 20%

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5 points

Is the other party that has more chance of winning a “moderate” fascist flavour?

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10 points

You mean the equivalent to Spain’s PP, the CDU? They’re “conservatives” (whatever that’s supposed to mean nowadays), but they’ve just announced, that they will cooperate with the Nazis on a “local level” (for now). History is a broken record.

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12 points

Thank goodness. But now what? I wonder if we’ll have another election by the end of the year.

Hoping for the undoubtedly difficult negotiations to yield a left government instead.

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but franco said we were hunting liberals /s

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This is really bad for Spain/EU. There are 2 posibilities. 1) A coallition of 7 parties who lost the election. Some of them are far-left and the others are working to leave Spain. 2) New elections at the end of the year.

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25 points

No, this is actually pretty good. No fascist government is a win :)

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-14 points

Review your sources because VOX is not fascist in any way. It’s considered far-rigth by some media because they defend the traditional family and inmigration controls, but they are democrats and they want a strong nation. You can’t say the same thing for the independentists.

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15 points

I’m spanish, I’ve literally seen Vox spewing their shit in the streets. They are fascists.

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8 points

I’m Spanish and literally there are neo nazies in VOX

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