Educate yourself on the matter before you continue spouting nonsense: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q_MDC2Gty4I&si=x4COLgcQIaEaWIE7
they totally control all the borders of the Palestinian people. excluding them from citizenship is part of the apartheid.
Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt? I know the Gaza strip only borders Egypt as well but isn’t Palestine kinda patchy? Islands in the north, Middle East, and Southwest of Israel?
When I think Palestine usually think of this map.
Israel blockades humanitarian aid from reaching Palestinians. they control all the borders.
Deep down we know that doing terrorism will not solve any problems.
Fun History Fact:
The Black Hands terrorist organization, the ones that killed Archduke Ferdinand, hoped that by doing so they would start a civil war that would result in a victory for Serbia, specifically creating a “Greater Serbia” from the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire where they had dominance over their regional neighbors.
Obviously, that didn’t happen.
Instead WW1 happened.
Which ended in the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the creation of Yugoslavia, a constitutional monarchy with a Serbian royal family, capital in Serbia.
(And then they made everyone hate them because they were assholes both as a monarchy and a communist state)
Second, Bonus Fun History Fact:
Terroristic tactics have left Afghanistan as the only nation to have defeated occupations by the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and America, the three most powerful states since the collapse of the Mongol Empire.
What you propose:
“Terrorists might’ve done something good actually. In some foreseeable future we might see changes in the world that would actually benefit them in the result, making their terrorism not useless”
What I propose:
“No human can see the future. But hamas could perfectly see what would happen if they launched such a violent attack - invasion with the purpose of removing hamas as an entity. If I can’t blame them for not surrendering by now, I will blame them for not making anything to defend their citizens.”
Viet Cong’s success in reuniting Vietnam says otherwise.
Attacking villages, taking hostages, and using guerilla tactics (like both Viet Cong did and Hamas are doing) are just the most effective ways of driving out an occupying force, and they wouldn’t be necessary if the oppressors weren’t there in the first place.
So you’re telling that hamas didn’t do anything wrong and they will succeed?
It’s interesting how some people blame Israel for being oppressors while others blame it for establishing hamas.
It’s also interesting how some people say terrorism is not useless because there is “some” history, but others are upset by how Israel is doing it too, apparently.
Seeing libs both-siding a genocide and colonialism in the present day honestly makes it much easier to understand how slavery was so prevalent for so long.
Decolonization is violent; if you don’t like it, don’t colonize in the first place.
None of these are mutually exclusive statements. You can understand that Israel propped up Hamas to label their aggressive tactics as “terrorism” and use that against all Palestinians, while understanding that those “terrorist” tactics can indeed be effective.
The US propped up the Taliban and other right-wing terrorist groups in Afganistan in the 80s to oppose their then secular Socialist gov and the supporting USSR, and we all know how that came back to bite them later. Just because a country props a group up doesn’t mean it’ll always keep doing things beneficial to them.
are upset by how Israel is doing it too
“Terrorist” tactics (or anything really) used for the sake of driving out a settler colonial ethnostate (a good thing) - like Hamas are doing and Viet Cong did - is good, while those tactics when used to oppress and commit genocide on a native population (a bad thing) - like Israel is doing - is bad. This isn’t that hard to understand.
A genocidal state.
Calling this genocide is like crying wolf, it merely provides cover for actual genocides by diluting the term until it’s meaningless. Israel could certainly suffer fewer casualties if they were to fire bomb or nuke Gaza, but they won’t because they’re not fucking genocidal.
People who study genocides call it a genocide. Please stop being retarded.
Yeah and some scientists deny that climate change is a thing, that doesn’t mean all points of view are equally valid. What you are pretending is a mainstream point of view is actually quite contentious:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusation#Discourse
Hi, I see in the modlog that dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 's post was removed for “violating rule 1,” which is, “be civil and nice.”
Israel is discriminating non-citizens like every other state while e. g. Arabic citizens have full civil rights. As much as you might hate Israel, this is not Apartheit.
What isn’t nice or civil about this post? They shared their opinion, one I consider reasonable, in a way that was inoffensive. Can the mods please elaborate on your mod policy here, are only anti-Israel opinions allowed?
(original comments still visible on kbin, though site is unstable atm)
@dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com
WTH?! Israel is by all metrics an apartheid state. Whether you accept it or not.
It’s funny how you claim Israel is “winning this war on terror,” yet everything after that in your comment sounds like something a terrorist would say.
Nevermind mind the fact the war on terror was something the US came up with and then badly fucked that up. Dude’s not even a competent troll.
From the POV of the US, I’d argue that the war on terror was a rousing success. They got the surveillance state they wanted.
Palestinians are not All Arabic nor Muslim. (saying Arabic/Muslim shows how little people understand the difference. It’s as dumb as saying Caucasian/Christian. You can be one, both, or none.) Palestinian genetically are a mix of all Mediterranean peoples. And that includes Greek, European, and Arabs. Also, the Palestinian people are more secular than the surrounding Muslim countries… Second, there is no winning a war on terror. Not in the way you are thinking anyways. Every innocent person killed by Israel spawns new terrorists. It’s unwinnable through violence.
And sorry for the double response but what in the actual fuck is 99% Arabic? For starters, minus un-contacted tribes on islands and forests, there are no 99% ethnic people on earth! If someone is 33% Caucasian, 33% Arabic, and 33% Asian what are they to you? Because your words indicates it matters. Your words implies the 1% rule used by racist to justify atrocities. (1% rule is if someone has 1% of blood outside of “white” means they are the other race.) All I see is humans being killed in Gaza.
TLDR: there are no large population of people that are 99% of anything. Even more so in the fucking Mediterranean.
