At least eight people have been diagnosed with measles in an outbreak that started last month in the Philadelphia area. The most recent two cases were confirmed on Monday.

The outbreak began after a child who’d recently spent time in another country was admitted to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) with an infection, which was subsequently identified as measles. The Philadelphia Department of Public Health considers the case to be “imported” but did not say from where.

The disease then spread to three other people at CHOP, two of whom were already hospitalized there for other reasons.

Two of those infected at the hospital were a parent and child. The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

Despite quarantine instructions, the child was sent to day care on Dec. 20 and 21, the health department said.

176 points

Isn’t this criminal negligence?

Being told by a medical professional to quarantine and wantonly ignoring it is a lot like your mechanic telling you not to drive a car and you doing it anyway.

I don’t see why the family shouldn’t be held to account for every single infection they started by sending their kid to day care.

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44 points

Except who will arrest them? The cops won’t enforce mask or quarantine mandates. COVID fucked all that up.

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65 points

Just say that the kid had a mental breakdown. The cops will come in pronto and shoot the dog.

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22 points

They’ll bring about 10 to 20 more people if you say he has marijuana or mushrooms too!

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42 points

Covid didn’t fuck it up. Stupid conservatives did that.

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If the government truly wants to enforce a quarantine, they can. Remember when the Ebola scare was a thing? I know someone who was caught up in that; They were required to do thrice daily temperature checks, and the CDC would randomly call a landline they set up, around ten times a day. On those calls, they had to report any potential symptoms for every single person in the household. The CDC made it very clear that if they didn’t answer the phone, the feds were coming inside with hazmat gear to verify they hadn’t snuck out. It was basically house arrest without the ankle monitors.

They had to have a very awkward conversation with their boss about it, because they were working as a lowly retail worker at the time. It was basically “hey uhh… You’ve seen the Ebola stuff in the news right? Yeah, I won’t be able to come in for a little while, because the feds say I’ll be arrested if I leave my house.”

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Its tempting to rail against these parents but for the daycare part specifically let us not forget that people in America don’t get free healthcare, and we dont get paid sick days. You take your kid to daycare not because you fucking want to, your American boss doesn’t give a shit about your problems, he needs you in right now or you’re looking for another way to feed your kids

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True, but in this specific case,

The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

This parent strongly deserves a good railing against.

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22 points

…fuck that is pretty hard to defend

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That’s a good point, I haven’t worked a jobs like that for a long time. It is easy to overlook.

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138 points

Will the family of the child face any consequences? I’d be very angry if my son was infected and they knew all along. Like looking for revenge angry!

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The part where the parent refused medication that can prevent infection is awful too. Can you imagine being so against medicine that you both risk your child’s life and risk leaving your child without a parent?

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They believe in medicine to some degree if they were already at the hospital.

Edit: like those covidiots who only went in after the horse dewormer failed

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Yeah I don’t understand why they would go to the hospital and then not accept the treatment. For a diagnosis? How can they trust the diagnosis if they don’t trust the treatment?

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6 points

Not enough to not risk their child or themselves.

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I wonder how much that medication cost, and if it was covered by insurance?

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27 points

At the very least CPS better be involved. I would definitely hope they take your child away if you’d risk your health, the child’s health, and the health of other children like that.

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12 points

Yup, they’ll get to run for Congress, probably.

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Well they are now know as the unhygienic dirty family with the smelly kid.

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The disease then spread to three other people at CHOP, two of whom were already hospitalized there for other reasons.

Two of those infected at the hospital were a parent and child. The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

Despite quarantine instructions, the child was sent to day care on Dec. 20 and 21, the health department said.v

It’s shocking how far backwards we’ve gone with respect to basic science… When I was a kid, vaccines were a given. Nobody ever batted an eye.

Fuck Andrew Wakefield.

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They should arrest the parents for negligence at this point. If any of the kids die they should get man slaughter charges.

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Agreed. They should be charged. Adults and unborn fetuses have more rights than children do. A woman can miscarry and get charged with abuse of a corpse, if I drink and drive and kill someone I go to jail but if I choose not to vaccinate my child and the child dies I get a pass?

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I agree but these assholes went beyond that and sent their sick kid with measles to daycare when they were explicitly told to quarantine. Like what the absolute fuck. It’s beyond words how selfish and disgusting their actions are.

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I don’t see how this already doesn’t amount to criminal negligence.

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Even if no one dies, anyone financially harmed by their actions, be it the daycare or families of potentially exposed children should be able to sue this moron for their losses. Freedom of choice isn’t freedom from consequence

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There are legitimate medical conditions where you’re not supposed to give the vaccine, some temporarily, some permanently. Given that the kid was a patient at CHoP, I’m inclined the give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m not excusing the parent for not getting the medication, nor for sending the kid to daycare, but I’m going to give the kid the benefit of the doubt on receiving the vaccine. [I suspect I’m wrong to do so, but am doing so nonetheless.]

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Sending a child with a highly infectious disease that is as dangerous and potentially deadly as measles into a day care should be held accountable. This is reckless endangerment of other peoples’ lives.

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The parents and the child were unvaccinated and the parents refused medication. I’d hazard a guess that they’re on that anti-vax esoteric shit.

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Hopefully DCFS can investigate them then. They are endangering not just the lives of their own child but others too. I would be livid if I was a parent and these idiots got my kid sick.

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Agreed. It would be nice if people weren’t so pressured to go to work for money that they could take care of children rather than feeling like you need to abandon them for a job. I’m not saying they did this. But over 3/4 of my sick days last year was to take of my kid. And when I had COVID, I was out and the statutes to pay me were gone.

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This is why it’s very important to think fiscally when deciding to have a baby. Those things are damn pricy!

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It’s also very important to vote carefully before deciding to have a baby. In most 1st world countries, you get a few family responsibilities leave days a year, that an employer cannot deny.

Under law in those countries, you are a parent first and an employee second. That comes with privileges and responsibilities.

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This is a very nuanced issue, and I won’t be able to explain my thoughts without someone whatabouting it.

And while you’re right, it is absolutely insane that we blame individuals for the exploitive nature of society.

Kids are expensive because businesses realized they could charge whatever for everything and then run ad campaigns about how bad of a parent you are for not buying their product or service. Simultaneously cutting every public, infrastructural component that used to support parents.

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Poor Americans. I just can’t imagine having to deal with limited sick days. If I’m sick for more than six weeks in a row, I get a little less money, and then from my health insurance instead of my boss, but that’s the only limit that is.

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I wish! But Merica

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If any subsequent children die due to this outbreak, charge the parents that sent the sick child to daycare with murder.

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…and apparently did not get the kid vaccinated and refused medication.

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I don’t excuse the parent for refusing the medication for themselves, however since the kid was a patient at CHoP, it’s possible they have an illness that prevents them from getting the vaccine. I’m not excusing the parent, but there’s a case to be made for the kid.

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If the parent refused medication for a disease that they were willing but unable to vaccinate the child against, that would be baffling. I can’t feasibly believe that this isn’t a belligerent, poorly informed parent being a reckless arsehole.

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Fuck. If they were immunocompromised to begin with, the parents should also be arrested for endangering their child, after they’re charged with murder for any kids that died via their reckless actions.

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23 points

Or charge them with reckless endangerment now and tack on manslaughter charges later.

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17 points

This should just generally be the case with vaccine refusal. If you refuse a vaccine and kill someone, that should be manslaughter

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Unfortunately, it’s difficult to prove, but I generally agree. I’d love mandatory vaccinations, particularly at school, so idiot parents didn’t spread communicable diseases through their defenseless children. Especially since those parents got all theirs, so they are basically just endangering the lives of their kids and their immunocompomised neighbors.

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Regardless of if anyone dies, they put others at risk by not quarantining. I don’t view this as any different than waving a gun around in public. They should be prosecuted for endangering others.

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