I just watched some video about Yakutsk Siberia which is meant to be the coldest city in the world. Thought “Those poor bastards, wonder what they need to wear indoors when it is -40 outside.”

Turns out a pissing tank top and PJ bottoms. We really need to start demanding better things in this country don’t we?

I’m also reading a book about coal mining. All the unpaid labour, minimising wages and dodgy things the bosses did then still happens now. Now I’m not a tankie so don’t get the wrong idea here. But why are we all okay living like this I don’t get it? Why is the UK population so forgiving at living it shit conditions.

Also I’m going to jump in before anyone says no insulation keeps you cold in the summer. Insulation works both ways, it can keep heat out or it can keep heat in. It’s better in the summer and in the winter.

Siberia video in question:

https://youtu.be/K0z7Avc9ZtY?si=_KTob2YYMn2HLwkv

Also I hope I havent broken any rules. I can’t see any. This seems mostly news posts but I guess text posts are allowed? Sorry if not.

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Heating the past few decades (or even century) was simply too cheap. Cheaper than insulating on the short term.

In cold countries, they didn’t have this option. they had to insulate.

Proper insulation is best done when building a house. Afterwards, it’s a little bit more complex.

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This is the answer. We’re addicted to cheap short term pretty things. Why insulate your home when you can spend the money on a week in the Costa Del Shag and then flip your house for a nice profit without doing anything to improve it?

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As an outsider, I offer the following theory: it’s cultural.

Brits are conditioned by the media and each other to suffer and wear that suffering like a badge of honour. This is the country that pioneered the battle tactic of having soldiers just line up in an orderly fashion to get shot and have their countrymen just step over them to take their place afterall.

I’m still in awe of a conversation I found on Reddit when I first came here. A Polish guy was asking why the homes were so poorly insulated: “I’m Polish”, he said, “I’m familiar with cold weather. This is deliberate suffering”. He was berated at length for being “weak”, that he should “just put on a jumper and shut up”. In the same thread, someone actually referred to carpeting as insulation.

Worse still, you seem to have no idea who to properly blame for that suffering. You keep electing kleptocrats and aspiring fascists and turn your nose up at anyone who points out that your suffering is the direct result of said kleptocrats. You passed on one guy 'cause you fell for lies about him being “extreme”, “a communist”, and “antisemitic”, and you passed on the one before that because he ate a sandwich funny.

What you do excel at is scapegoating. It’s the immigrants. It’s the poor. It’s anyone but ourselves and the kleptocrats we elected.

This is why you can’t have nice things. Recognise that you’re part of the problem, demand better leaders, and stop being so fucking stupid at the polling booth, and maybe then you’ll get better results.

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Nah think I’ll brexit mate.

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Yeah having lived throughout the US (including about as far north as you can get in the 48) I was shocked to move to Scotland and be freezing cold all the time. I’ve never had to wear so many layers in my own home. Plus utilities are literally an order of magnitude more expensive. As soon as the heat turns off the room immediately cools down. Its insane

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Spent a winter in a semi in Manchester. Coldest winter of my life due to no insulation and the constant draft.

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Sorry, not in the UK, post popped up on “All”.

You guys don’t have insulation requirements?

https://www.energystar.gov/saveathome/seal_insulate/identify_problems_you_want_fix/diy_checks_inspections/insulation_r_values

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You landlord when you talk about what they need to do in regards to mould or insulation in your house.

My last place wouldn’t let me go into the attic to see what insulation was up there and on the energy certificate the guy wrote “assumed” for the attic. Now sure there is a really low minimum level as a landlord and sure there is a free money given to you from the government if you install good insulation in the attic. But what’s the point? It’s just so much effort to make a couple of phone calls. It’s far easier to just add to the contract that the tenant needs to heat their house sufficiently to prevent mould, no excuses. Then it’s not your problem!

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I would support additional taxes on Landlords inversely proportional to the energy rating of the house. Currently there is no incentive for landlords to improve the energy efficiency of their properties. At least when you “own” a house the action to improve it is on you.

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I’d support some benefit for improving houses that are owned, too.
It’s a bit frustrating if you decide to improve the insulation, but it doesn’t move the needle on property value, because a large enough chunk of the market does not care.

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the tenant needs to heat their house sufficiently to prevent mould,

And make sure to open windows regularly to stop condensation, coincidentally letting out all the bastard heat.

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Lol no amount of heating or ventilating with negate the fact that when it rains hard outside it also rains inside my house. My landlord doesn’t give a fuck but I still let him know every single time it is raining indoors so when he inevitably tries to shaft me out of my deposit I have records of telling him it needs fixing every fucking time -_-

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Who needs extractor fans with gas heating?

The draft will sort it anyway.

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I suspect it’s more that the requirements are lower and the buildings are on average older than in Yakutsk, which contribute to less effective insulation.

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I think some motivation is that half-assing your shelter in Yakutsk is dangerous, not merely uncomfortable.

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The soviets are known for strict building code and untouchable policing

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We absolutely do, on new properties, and on change-of-use.
And we have requirements that rented properties have to at least hit a certain level. As wanderer says below, because of the state of the rental market, there are a lot of shitty landlords just ignoring what they can.

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