Tried calling Putin, he didn’t answer. Its almost as if I have zero influence on him
After Stoltenberg and David Arakhamia admitted it, everybody has realized by now that Nato membership always was at the core of this conflict.
So, no, there is not only one person who can end this war. Not even liberals should be dumb enough to believe that line to begin with.
Assuming you don’t live in a dream world: What exactly is the realistic goal you have that more bloodshed will achieve?
If my fellow Western idiots had listened to us, Ukraine would have 20% more land and hundreds of thousands more people would be alive and Germanys tanking economy with military keynesianism knocking wouldn’t be at risk of turning the 30s of the 21st century into the 30s of the 20th century
You’re playing a little game that you pretend is fueled by care for Ukrainians (- those in Donbas and leftists), whose country you could not point to on a map 3 years ago, but is actually fueled by a media-induced need to see Putin humiliated.
This is the fucking real world where people aren’t just flag-emojis and nuclear weapons aren’t a boardgame that you can smugly flip over and where the “bad guys” aren’t cackling in secret about doing evil but where real contexts are distorted for propagandistic purposes.
Snap the fuck out of your infantile world view and start trying to understand war in order to prevent it or take the blue pill and accept that politics just isn’t your cup of tea.
There is too much at stake. We can never stop explaining but we can’t parent people either
Anything short of russia leaving all the stolen land isn’t favourable.
Russia will just take whatever agreement they have signed, rebuild, then spit all over that agreement and do whatever they can to benefit from the suffering of others. Their country doesn’t even have to profit, just the elite.
Is that what russia wants sewers? Can’t built their own because all the money going to the oligarchs, got to steal Ukraines.
Thanks for letting us know how much you’re seething there. Life’s gonna get hard for you, good luck.
That sounds like an interesting and unique perspective I haven’t heard before, can you cite examples of Russia doing this sort of thing in the past? I haven’t heard of them breaking agreements like that, it sounds awful for a country to do things like that.
Just start here and go from there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories
Sorry, that link doesn’t work for me for some reason, can you send me a difference source if you have one?
favourable for who? the losers from this conflict are the ukranian people, the goverment failing to reach a peace deal is literally terrorism against the ukranian people.
Haha yea sure.
You know they have been invited by Russia right?
Russia can just leave. Who’s going to want to get their land annexed after an attempted full on invasion and be like, yea mate keep it. It terrorism against the Ukrainian people for sure but Putin isn’t going to stop.
The commies are proven right every damn time. It’s like we’ve got some sort of clairvoyance.
In the sense of being new information, this isn’t news. Israel wanting to decimate the population of Gaza isn’t news. There being US-backed nazis in the Ukraine wasn’t news, nor was Zelesky beinga puppet who’d destroy his country, the US wanting war with Russia, there not being a genocide in Xinjiang, Iraq not having WMDs, Saddam not being behing 9/11 and so on and so on.
It’s not news to us but it is news to the majority of the population here in the West who for decades have not been exposed to anything other than the lies of the liberal imperialist propaganda apparatus.
I am just wondering how western elite thought that Russia gaining all the Donbass, kherson and others would be beneficial for them. Lol 😂 . This ukraine thing is the biggest loss for the West and US
Not really, the whole point was to destroy Europe.
The US simply cannot afford to have Europe backing China in the coming showdown between the two giants. Nord Stream 2 construction was completed in 2021, and its certification kept getting delayed to prevent the Europeans from gaining energy sovereignty, after which they will no longer need to be dependent the US. Hence the war in Ukraine was needed to sever the connection between Europe and Eurasia.
The Ukraine war was dragged out precisely to allow this strategic goal of the US empire to be achieved.
I’ve been under the impression that the game plan was to use Ukraine as a quagmire to tie up Russia, test new technologies, force the EU into an even more subservient, buffer state role, and use Ukraine as a martyr to rally Russophobic Western sentiments and manufacture consent for new “security” measures in the West that would further silence opposition. I feel the ultimate goal was really China - using the martyred Ukraine as a call to arms to “save Taiwan”, as it were (the news painting Russia as villainous made a big deal of effort trying to tie China to everything Russia did in the war, and comparing the situation in Ukraine to the situation with Taiwan).
It’s the only thing I could think of that made any kind of sense. The only alternative is that they genuinely believed Ukraine could have beaten Russia with only military aid. I don’t doubt some people in positions of power could be convinced of that, but at the highest levels I have to believe this was just another attempt by the US to keep Russia off-balance enough that the US could try and cut China down.
Initially they really deluded themselves into thinking they could defeat or at least severely degrade Russia. Instead all they managed to do is make Russia much, much stronger in all respects: militarily, economically and diplomatically.
The West all but admits the first two, and the only reason they still can’t see the last is because they are stuck in their bubble where they think that the entire “international community” consists only of the West and its vassals.
Gotta wonder if we’re going to be reading Op-Eds from Netanyahu heads in a few years.
Something about how the Israelis were ready to pull back, but they just kept getting green flags from Blinken and Biden to push further into Gaza territory.
- Ukraine gets goaded into conflict with Russia *
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Ukraine loses 100,000 soldiers
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Western powers shovel military hardware into Ukraine
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
*Ukrainian politicians openly discuss Nazi talking points with Western politicians who feel the same way *
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Ukraine loses half a million soldiers
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Western powers begin losing interest as the consequences of the war on them are getting untenable
Ukraine: desperately We’re Western, yes?
The west: I’m sorry babe not tonight, I have a headache
