Mozilla’s position on WEI is pretty solid.

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Mozilla try not to be based challenge (impossible)

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They have already opposed it, and your speculation based on your dislike of their CEO probably isn’t helpful. It’s against the open web and Mozilla has no incentive to implement this. It’s something only an ad company would be keen on.

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I use waterfox currently. If this takes off, I will browser shop until I find a browser that doesn’t implement it. If i come across any sites that don’t work, well, I just won’t use their sites anymore.

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And when all the sites stop working?

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Well if they don’t cave and stick with it the CEO can butter my loafs all they want.

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Although a comment close below puts a little dent into that ^^

https://github.com/mozilla/> standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1649928726

I guess, even if “it contradicts our principles and vision for the Web.”, it might happen just like the past:

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-mission-and-w3c-eme/ Formal objection: FLOSS and EME w3c/encrypted-media#378 https://daniele.tech/2014/05/firefox-drm-and-w3c-eme-complicated-technical-matter/

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I don’t think Firefox’s position is unreasonable here. Ultimately, the old way of distributing copy-write content wasn’t going to work. Companies that had right to something, couldn’t easily distribute it without a large risk of piracy and a tanking of revenues. Having a sandbox around proprietary shite made sense and protected users privacy while also enabling the content providers to maintain their asset.

Removing ad blocks is a wholly different ball game. Google obviously has a stake in it because YT is funded by ads. Maybe some ad driven content providers also, but subscription driven services don’t have the same need for that. It does seem an unholy alliance between content providers and big tech has been formed and it could be something at play again.

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I actually agree and appreciate your response. I was just poking a little fun at the “impossible” there but Firefox absolutely has been an invaluable voice for neticens all over the world.

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❌ Play DRM-controlled content

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Will keep supporting Firefox 👍👍👍

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It’s funny, I always kept Firefox and Brave (yes I’m aware its chromium and full of fuckery) installed. But as soon as this news broke, before it was even confirmed, I swapped back from Brave to Firefox as my primary. Fuck Google for this. They’re just truly not the company they once were.

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They never really were the company they claimed to be.

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Oh god no, never said otherwise. But for years they struck this equilibrium between evil and quality of services offered in exchange. That value had been rapidly deteriorating for the last 5 years or so. It’s just sad to see is all.

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I feel like at least they tried to put up that illusion at some point. But that mask has fallen.

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Why do I feel like it isn’t the death of the internet as we know of, but rather the sharding of the internet. The corpo plaza internet is clearly emerging, we have to make sure we support and hold up the everyone else internet

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With banking, streaming, there isn’t really an easy alternative. This could be a locking out that could be quite disruptive.

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I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as streaming, is in fact, piracy/streaming, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, piracy plus streaming.

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Problem: banking, health care, and the government are on the corpo plaza internet, and you are required to deal with them.

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The problem is we can’t just not use their internet - I see extending the fediverse as a great way to bring back the original promise of the Internet, a free place for collaboration and exchange of ideas.

But we still need to use the normal Internet for daily life. The potential control here goes so far past ad blocking or browser choice - what happens when they start deciding what apps you can have, or what os, or if your using an unmodified locked down system without root access?

Plus, you have legislation like kosa that could be used to restrict people from operating websites locally in the US.

This move alone wouldn’t kill the Internet, but you have to look at the wider context. This is an inflection point - tech giants are on an all out money grab, and a lot of important battles are going to happen back to back. Losing any one of them will be just an inconvenience, but all together they’re going to redefine the rules moving forward

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