195 points

My non-expert take on this:

Haier claims these plugins cause the firm significant financial damage

Don’t care. Competition is not damage.

violate copyright laws

Prove it.

plug-ins developed by you […] that are in violation of our terms of service

The plug-ins never agreed to your ToS. Better sue your customers instead.

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97 points

Hijacking the comment to say: Fork the shit out of this repo immediately. Fuck Haier.

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37 points

Ghetto fork it. GitHub will nuke the forks done via the fork button with the initial DMCA

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31 points

Fork it on a different platform - GitLab or something like it - we really should diversify our code repos. Microsoft has too much power with GitHub

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5 points

Move that shit to Gitlab and have some of it saved offline for good measure.

Make it like the Barbara Streisand effect but for a FOSS project lol.

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1 point

I’ll fork it on my forgejo instance

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92 points

Yeah they have no legal basis for their ridiculous claims and demands. This company is just full of shit.

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14 points

It is likely costing them more from whatever cloud service their platform is hosted on.

But, that’s on them for not putting locks on their api.

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160 points

If any appliance manufacturer says that accessing your own appliance (that you own) outside their software ecosystem is financially “damaging” to them, they might as well be saying “Hey, just so you know, we’re collecting and selling your data.” If you have already purchased the appliance and their software is free, there is absolutely no other way that using a 3rd-party application could damage their bottom line.

Thanks, Haier, for letting me know never to purchase your products.

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The project was accessing Haiers cloud API, not just your appliance. Not that that it makes this any less shitty, but there is a difference. They aren’t saying you aren’t allowed to access a product you own, they are saying you aren’t allowed to access their servers.

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5 points

Then make the devices able to run offline

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4 points

Just purchase the ad free premium plus platinum subscription for offline mode, only $12.99 per month!

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16 points

Here’s to hoping people start ripping their app apart to call out what information they’re collecting for sale.

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88 points

“Hey! We were gonna charge a subscription for that! Fuck you for doing it first, competition is not allowed.”

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16 points

Does homeassistant even charge a subscription?

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45 points

No, its free an open source, but it out competes their spyware

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Home assistant does not, but Haier would rather you use their proprietary SmartAir2 app that vacuums up every tiny bit of personal data for resale, and could potentially turn into a subscription service later.

Mind you smartair2 has a 1.4 star rating on the play store if that tells you how well any of their software and devices work lol

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7 points

Frigidaire’s is just as bad

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6 points

The software is free, and you would never need to pay anything to get set up great system for yourself. In addition to that, they also offer a service that you can subscribe to that gives you some benefits. You can replicate all the functions on your own, I believe, but the service makes it extremely simple.

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They do, but only if you want to go through their servers for access outside of your network.

I do it mostly to support the project.

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IMO, it’s also worth the yearly cost for voice integration with Google Nest/Home or similar devices. Both can be done without paying but it’s so much easier and I know it’ll be supported over time.

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Just letting everyone know that GE appliance is also owned by Haire.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Appliances

Besides that, they also own the following brands: Hotpoint (U.S.), Hoover (Europe), Candy, Fisher & Paykel.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haier

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I’m so sad about Fisher & Paykel. It was a local (New Zealand) manufacturer that prided itself on quality. It had such a great reputation for quality it eventually took that great quality internationally. And then capitalism and enshittification got its grubby hands on it and turned it into another trash brand. Yet another quality local company disappearing off overseas, screwing over local workers and trashing the quality in favour of profit.

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Enshittification exclusively defines online platforms. Stop using it for everything.

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It’s a perfectly cromulent word that describes the process that happens across nearly all consumer corporate endeavours, online included.

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I disagree and so do others, so you will have to face the fact it will be used in this context going forward.

No sense wasting effort fighting it.

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Enshittification is clearest in online, but even Doctorow uses the word to describe the behaviour of all companies.

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Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

GE Appliances is an American home appliance manufacturer based in Louisville, Kentucky. It has been majority owned by Chinese multinational home appliances company Haier since 2016. It is one of the largest appliance companies in the United States and manufactures appliances under several brands, including GE, GE Profile, Café, Monogram, Haier and Hotpoint (Americas only, European rights held by Whirlpool Corporation). The company also owns FirstBuild, a co-creation community and micro-factory on the University of Louisville’s campus in Louisville, Kentucky. Another FirstBuild location is in South Korea, and a FirstBuild location in India opened its doors in 2019.

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38 points

The mistake is forking and hosting it on GitHub. If Haier sends GitHub a DMCA takedown notice, they will comply, and the forks will be deleted too. Use other hosting services for redundancy and keep a local copy.

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3 points

Might put it on torrents as well.

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1 point

I don’t think there’s a copyright component to this. DMCA isn’t on the table

Haier were implying that they might sue if the developer didn’t take it down

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Good point. Nothing in the article explicitly states that it’s a copyright claim, but they do mention “protecting… [their] intellectual property”. In any case, it’s always easier for the website host to fold to cover their own asses than to continue hosting the content.

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18 points

Awesome! This is why I love the Lemmy community.

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