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There needs to be regulations on the size of personal vehicles for a shit ton of reasons…

But this one by itself should be enough.

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There are… but there are loopholes. Which is why the vehicles get bigger every year. They’re all using loopholes to continue not bothering to meet the standards the regulations set forth.

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Loopholes are always going to happen…

But if you close them, then the problem is fixed.

Currently we just ignore them, instead of passing regulations that close the loophole and clarify

We could even go a step further and require plans to be approved by a regulatory agency before mass production can start.

Boom, problem solved forever.

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Even better would be if the US switched from “letter of the law” to “spirit of the law” because as it stands, there’s a lot of lawmakers just throwing their hands in the air and saying “well they’re not breaking the letter of the law, so there’s nothing we can do” while completely ignoring that it’s clear that the person in question is breaking the spirit of the law when it was written.

It allows for laws to be endlessly re-interpreted, and at this point even the Supreme Court has tossed out the idea of previous decisions actually mattering. They’ll just re-interpret every law to be beneficial to their purposes every time they need to re-interpret it.

At a certain point you have to stop and admit the loopholes are being left open on purpose.

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“loophole” implies that regulators are trying to restrict them, but manufacturers are finding ways to work around those restrictions. There is no “loophole” here: CAFE standards are specifically driving manufacturers to produce larger cars.

CAFE standards gradually tighten emissions standards. The problem is that they tighten the standards on smaller cars faster than on larger cars. CAFE are making it harder and harder to make small, compliant vehicles, and easier to produce larger compliant vehicles.

This isn’t a loophole. This is incompetent, counter-productive regulation.

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This is regulation that’s been bought and paid for.

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There needs to be a social cost of owning these abominations. If we make it more expensive or more regulated, they’ll still find the people who want to drive them. If we make them embarrassing, shameful, or otherwise costly in social standing, the market for them will soon collapse.

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Other countries require a special license for vehicles that big.

It costs more, and requires frequent tests, written and driving. The large vehicles are also prohibited from driving down small side streets and using normal parking spaces.

Because at this size, they’re only needed as commercial vehicles.

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If the only reason people have them is for social status, you’d have a point. But, that fails as soon as anyone actually uses one for their intended purpose.

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What’s the intended purpose of the higher hood? Cars exist that are safer for pedestrians, we should stigmatise those who choose not to opt for them.

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I live in Basel, Switzerland, lovely old city, very unfriendly to cars, which is fine due to the great public transit. There is this one dickhead who has a bright, shiny red Dodge Ram. It’s monstrous. And it doesn’t fuckin’ fit in the streets, I’d love to see how much in fines that idiot has had for blocking trams, traffic, and all the other nonsense I’ve seen it do, was actually stuck in traffic once because it got stuck on a corner, took 30 mins to get it backed up and out of the way.

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But hey, at least he’s famous now, sort of

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Infamous, more like.

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6 points

The conservative Supreme Court is about to make that a lot harder in a few days. Get ready for the Canonaro to be real.

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3 points

What decision is this? I’ve not been paying attention to Supreme Court doings lately.

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7 points

The Dobbs case of this session is Loper Bright Enterprises, Inc. v. Raimondo, and it’s looking like the court is going to side with the conservatives.

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/17/1224939610/supreme-court-chevron-doctrine

Right now Congress gives regulatory agencies general guidelines, and the agencies work out the finer details. Soon it will likely be left to Congress and the courts to iron out those finer details. And both of those bodies are slow, and courts are fragmented across states.

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It’s actually a few different cases, but they all hinge on whether the Executive branch has a legal standing to create Federal agencies that can create and execute regulation.

There’s a good chance we could soon be in a USA where experts don’t have a voice, and the courts suddenly are in charge of the regulatory state.

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Chevron

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, I felt physically threatened just standing next to some of the products

Yes, that’s why they make them like that.

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Road taxes should increase after certain dimensions and weights. Bonnet/hood height should be one.

Also, safety ratings should give equal weighting to the a vehicle’s impact absorbtion and impact contribution. It’s insane that something is considered safe solely because the occupant is protected.

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Agreed. They should but there are these Cafe Standards that need to be dealt with. The cars have to be larger to be exempt because we’re using wheel base to help determine fuel economy (it should be weight not wheelbase) These exemptions need to go away.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy

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9 points

I haven’t given it much thought before but you’re right, that is insane.

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I think places that aren’t America tend to do that, taxing by engine size. It’s not a perfect solution considering sports cars and such, but you’re not gonna find a 6L engine in a Kia

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No shit? I forget where I saw the comparison but the length of the view that is blocked when being in a big ass truck is absolutely insane. There could be a gaggle of kids in front of you and you would never know until you hit them.

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I mentioned this is another comment, but the crazy thing is that’s the driver’s view from M1 Abrams. Typically, in hatches open operation you’d either have a Crew Commander (and/or gunner) standing with their torso out of the turret for better visibility (and a second set of eyes), or a ground guide watching where you go.

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Perhaps we should introduce a commander’s hatch to help large pickup trucks safely navigate around neighborhoods.

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That’d be the one.

On another note, I think your comment is causing the Boost app to crash. :/

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17 points

Was seriously considering a pickup as my next car until my partner pointed me to similar research a while back.

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They also seriously injure the people they do hit.

A car tends to hit low and send people onto the hood. A truck hits high (head and torso injuries) and knocks people to the ground where they get run over.

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There could be a gaggle of kids in front of you and you would never know until you hit them.

Republicans: As long as they’re not white…

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Modern trucks have shitty visibility all the way around. I borrow my dad’s Colorado and my boss’s F-150 frequently and I always feel like I’m driving a school bus and feel like I can’t see shit. They have backup cameras but it’s not that great(and the idea that a backup camera should be required to operate a vehicle safely in the first place is abhorrent to me anyway). I never had any issues with my S10 back in the day and I could fit more shit in the bed.

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There’s another extreme, when a friend of mine took me for a ride in a two-seat convertible BMW X2 it felt like I was barely above ground. When one of the SUVs was near us at a traffic light it felt like it was going to run over us without even noticing

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it felt like it was going to run over us without even noticing

Yeah that’s because they have shitty visibility. Also the reason I’ll never ride a motorcycle in traffic.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo&t=559s

There is a good visualization in this video (These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us by Not Just Bikes) at the timestamp I linked (roughly 9 minutes 19 seconds), cited from KidsAndCars.org

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Who are you replying to?

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Was a reply to the comment before it was edited. I’ll delete mine.

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A truck has to have a nose that looks like a big slab of concrete to oncoming traffic. If it doesn’t men will be forced to wear dresses, sing show tunes while sitting to pee. Thems the rules.

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I sit to pee because I’m lazy. The dresses I wear while belting out ballads from Skykid shows are just to assert my dominance in the workplace.

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I sit to pee because I’m lazy

But it takes slightly more work though the make the deed sitting

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There’s less clean up if you have bad aim though.

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