140 points

people always tell me to grow up and then end up coming to the same conclusions in adulthood that I did when I was 16

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I’m starting to learn a lot of liberals could have skipped like 15 years of political development if they had just listened to punk music as a teenager like I did (also protesting the Iraq war)

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64 points

Yup things continue to get significantly worse, and I’m told one of the same two things

1.) “I’m sure children who died in factories during the Industrial Revolution would agree with you”

2.) “Unfortunately that’s just how the world is. I was like you once”

I really don’t know how else to say it. Like I can acknowledge the fact that I’m privileged and want to use my privilege to try and do something about the flagrant injustices around, but that comment is usually left with a snide response as well.

I keep shouting from the fucking mountain tops that the only way to make change is to build solidarity in your local communities, but fucking DNC plants are dropped from the sky it seems telling people to invest that energy into calling their representatives and VOTING. Which has yet to do jack shit materially

And surprise surprise. The same ghoulish developers and builders keep coming in to gentrify everything in fucking sight, corporations start outsourcing factory jobs leaving hundreds unemployed, rent increases astronomically all while millions of people are fixated on an election that is effectively kayfab

When you think of it like this, the DNC is so so fucking evil. They have a robust network of organizations that they could theoretically use to make a meaningful difference in people’s lives. But of course they fucking don’t, too busy posting about how the latest ruling or whatever has made them sad.

They’re going to do such a when trump 2.0 is elected and opine about “the state of our country” or some shit while completely ignoring their role in all of this.

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67 points

The children who died in factories in the 19th century did fucking agree with me we have the fucking letters and they think August Willich was a lib.

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40 points

And Willich challenged Marx to a dual for not being radical enough, so that’s really saying something

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I came to those same conclusions at 16, then briefly thought teenage me was just being edgy and idealist, then very quickly realized that teenage me was right and we should in fact [redacted] every fascist cop.

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36 points

every fascist cop

But you repeat yourself

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34 points

yeah for real. There were a few years when I faltered, thinking huh maybe they all are right. I have been more and more vindicated as time goes on however.

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59 points

I remember going through history and reading about the fall of Rome, Greece, Persia, etc and thinking to myself "it sure looks like I’m living during the decline of the US empire… Listened to Punk and Ska, and asked how “Trickle down economics” would ever work when a public corporation’s sole reason for existing is to provide value for shareholders.

I also remember talking to my dad in the early 2000s about global warming and asking how any of it could ever change. He told me we’d have to vote for the right people.

Then Citizens United happened and put the nail in the coffin for all of it.

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Seriously. I can’t help it that I’ve always been ahead of the curve. More of a them problem at that point.

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literally yes

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138 points

social-democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

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The key word is objectively. If you disagree, it’s not a difference of opinion. You’re just wrong

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I mean, the guy who said that went on to ally with social democracies against real fascists. And whatever the theoretical merits, I see no evidence that calling 90%+ of the U.S. population fascists will do anything to advance any leftist cause. It certainly doesn’t help grow any sort of American left-wing movement.

It really is OK to say someone’s take is bad without calling them a fascist. Fascists should be shot; anyone who thinks everyone from AOC to the right needs to be shot is (in the parlance of our times) deeply unserious.

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I mean, the guy who said that went on to ally with social democracies against real fascists.

social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism

moderate fascists are better than extreme fascists

no contradiction here

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Fascists should be shot; anyone who thinks everyone from AOC to the right needs to be shot is (in the parlance of our times) deeply unserious.

They clearly aid and abet fascism though. You’d be a fool not to see that they’re ultimately enemies of real social change and they must be deposed or else nothing good can come.

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I mean, the guy who said that went on to ally with social democracies against real fascists.

You understood history wrong. The European powers wanted to use Nazi Germany, Poland and Japan to destroy the USSR. Many of them had signed military and economic cooperation agreements with Nazi Germany. The British literally just signed the Dusseldorf Agreement for the cooperation between British and German industries in March 1939, and the Munich Agreement before that with the British, France, Italy and Germany in 1938.

It was the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, engineered by the Soviet diplomatic team and supposedly without Hitler’s involvement, at the last minute that saved the day. It drove a wedge between Germany and Poland (who had just shared Czechoslovakia together), forcing Germany to invade Poland, and in turn forcing France and the Great Britain to declare war on Germany. The entire Japanese cabinet resigned over the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and backed down from interfering with the Soviets. Like, why do you think the Japanese government would resign over a pact signed by two foreign countries?

The European “social democracies” wanted the Soviet Union dead. They wanted to destroy communism. They simply did not expect to be outplayed at the last minute when the Soviets managed to turn Nazi Germany against the Europeans themselves.

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I see no evidence that calling 90%+ of the U.S. population fascists will do anything to advance any leftist cause. It certainly doesn’t help grow any sort of American left-wing movement.

Neither does allowing people to believe that fake shills like AOC represent any kind of actual leftist movement. At this point, this type of politician is an active hinderence to advancing any real left politics, with the exception of their actions and stances disillusioning people.

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Not my fault you’re objectively wrong, chief

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Should and Would are diffrent. It would fix a good part of the world’s problems.

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92 points

I always said it, but I never understood it till I watched Bernie’s stance on Gaza in real time.

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46 points

“The mask of humanity fall from capital. It has to take it off to kill everyone — everything you love; all the hope and tenderness in the world. It has to take it off, just for one second. To do the deed. And then you see it. As it strangles and beats your friends to death… the sweetest, most courageous people in the world. You see the fear and power in its eyes. Then you know.”

" What?"

“That the bourgeois are not human.”

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many people are saying this folks. The succdems - that’s what i call them, i call them succdems- they’re very nasty people.

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I feel incredibly sad and depressed and disillusioned with Bernie, AOC and everyone else. Fuck them all. They will sell the rest of the world to the devil for a promise of some progress on the domestic front that’ll get broken anyways. And they know it’ll be broken! They know it! So why not stand in solidarity?! Why make the deal at all?

I’m just done.

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Especially Bernie, fucker has been in the game long enough to know better, at least AOC I could understand early on and blame it on her being naive but she’s just angling to be another career dem politician like the rest of them.

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It’s because he understands the game, that he has been able to keep his successful political position for so long, I’m sure AOC wants a long mainstream political career like Sanders. I always like to compare Sanders to Corbyn, they destroyed Corbyn’s political career, and we all know the big difference between Corbyn and Sanders.

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we all know the big difference between Corbyn and Sanders.

Length?

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she’s just angling to be another career dem politician like the rest of them.

Her 6 months as a bartender was stolen valor. She’s no different than Mayo Pete doing his photo op tour in Afghanistan, except she’s way better at politics than him

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They are politicians in the Democratic Party. Expecting more from them is just setting yourself up for disappointment

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socdems are fascists

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AOC is literally just doing what the unions want her to

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70 points

stop,stop! they’re already dead!

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Do you disagree?

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Rank and file

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Not to discredit those based 17 year olds but 9/10 you can bet on a yankee being a fascist and end up correct, it’s on them to prove otherwise.

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