I think teaching people how protests work is pretty important praxis and is not talked about nearly enough.

Moderates and liberals tend to think of protest and demonstration as the same thing and anything that is not a demonstration is generally though of as bad or counterproductive.

Most of the populace simply doesn’t understand that blocking roads or getting arrested have strategic value. They consider the goal of every protest to be to raise awareness and support and to convince people like them ™️ that any given cause is worth supporting and that their support is all it really takes to a make change happen. It’s a very self-centered view of how political movement work and it seems unfortunately quite obiquitous.

They see a road block and think “that just makes you look bad” and the thought process ends there because now your movement isn’t worth supporting in their eyes. If you try to explain that blocking off roads is often done to cut off supply lines to financial districts or big corporations and put economic pressure on them or the politicians they donate to, they refuse to engage with the idea entirely or claim that it doesn’t actually work and the only way to protest successfully is to win over people like them even though they’ve probably never been to a demonstration, let alone a direct action event and if they did they’d probably do more harm than good given how ignorant they are on the subject.

We really need to educate people about protesting tactics, how they work, what they actually seek to achieve, and how different methods put pressure on different areas to get different effects and I think you probably can’t teach this to older generations but younger generations are capable of learning and we really need them to learn this.

Teaching people to think in terms of systems and take a structural approach when trying to change a system is paramount because, in the current state of things, the common belief seems to be if enough people wave signs from the sidewalk, things magically work out in the end.

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These people are insanely stupid if they think any corporation is affected to a degree they would be willing to change their stance on a topic. At best this would be a tiny blip that goes to nothing long term. But what does happen, is the life of working class people on that particular day becomes worse, and ambulances have more traffic to deal with. Do. Not. Block. Traffic. If you want to make a change you make it with votes, that’s what awareness is for.

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I’ve been thinking about this in the context of the reaction to MLK at the time and how we look at it today compared to the many protests of recent years, and my conclusion from people talking in here is that we are still falling for the white-washed narrative of what protesting is supposed to look like.

The short of my thoughts is that a demonstration and a protest accomplish two entirely different goals and therefore are to be used in entirely different circumstances. A demonstration may inconvenience people, but it is ultimately about bringing eyes onto the issue and gathering support for your cause. A protest, on the other hand, is to be used after you already have the support of the people. It’s the union strike after negotiations have broken down. It’s a show of force meant to shock and awe the people in power.

We look today at the sit-ins and marches of the Civil Rights movement, and Rosa Parks refusing to change her seat, and say, “This is how you protest. You are polite and don’t upset the populace at large.” But, here’s the thing: they were already breaking the law by doing these things, and anything more could’ve seen them killed by cops. And the general populace said the same things then as we are today about the protests. That they were being too disruptive and were driving support away.

Here’s what the general public thought of MLK and his “protests” at the time:

Let’s take a look in comparison to Greta Thunberg, the Boston I-93 protest, the Million Man March in Washington, and the recent protests in Germany, as the first two were already mentioned in here and make great examples. Greta is a perfect example of a demonstration rather than a protest in my eyes. Brings awareness to the issue, and as others said, is laser focused on causing disruption to the target to bring said awareness without alienating people at large. People know exactly who to blame here, and it isn’t Greta. The issue, though, is that this ultimately doesn’t create change on its own. The Million Man March, by comparison, was a protest. They shut down an entire city. It was a threat that made white people all over the country afraid. White people thought to themselves, “If they can gather a million people to march in one city, what else can they do.”

The recent protests in Germany are another example of a protest used well. The biggest issue with the I-93 stunt was that it was the wrong strategy at the wrong time. It didn’t already have the backing of a large portion of the population, and didn’t do enough to shake the powers that be. This is the same issue that BLM had in general. It was too disorganized and needed a unified strategy that wouldn’t allow the government and corporations to simply wait it out and sweep it under the rug. If you look at the German protests and the Million Man March, both caused far more inconvenience, shutting down sections of cities if not the entirety of the cities themselves, but were much more effective because they had the impetus of the massive support behind them and the size of the crowds they gathered for the protests. They sent a clear message to those in power that the people were upset, and they weren’t going to simply let it go. Mere days after the protests, action is already being taken in Germany. It took nearly a decade of demonstrations and protests to get the public support behind the Civil Rights Movement, but it wasn’t until after MLK was assassinated that the Civil Rights Act was passed. Years of demonstrations and protests, and 3 full days of burning cities and black people rioting in the streets. The Civil Rights Act was drafted, passed, and signed into law within a week.

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If a post is titled “A reminder on the difference between demonstrations and protests”, then I expect an explanation of what that difference is. I was hoping to be educated, not lectured at.

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blocking off roads is often done to cut off supply lines to financial districts or big corporations

I call BS, this wouldn’t affect them in the slightest.

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Plus, they can play this game way better than the activists can.

I’ve seen the point of view “well if our grouping just puts enough pressure on, they’ll cave, and it’s not really relevant whether our tactics were legal or well-targeted or people understood them.” And yet, all of a sudden when the cop says “hey there’s like 50,000 of us and I pepper sprayed you and hit you a bunch of times with my baton to put pressure on you, and it’s not really relevant whether it was legal, come with me” they’re all shocked and surprised that that could have been the outcome.

I’m not saying it’s right for police to brutalize protestors. I’m saying the east-Indian independence movement and the US civil rights movements offer some really vital examples of how to effectively mobilize a resistance against a much stronger but unjust opponent, and “fuck the public opinion I’m just gonna punish everyone until the system changes” is about the absolute worst set of tactics you can adopt.

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Agreed. But it fucks with ambulences. Protestors are usually good about getting out of the way for real emergencies, but when road block-offs are things like “giant blocks of cement”, there’s no choice.

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I’m sorry, but I think in many cases a road block does “just make you look bad”. There was growing support for BLM in Massachusetts and it got popped like a ballon when those dumb kids blocked 93N.

Nobody was talking about how the cops dealing with the situation were one of the most racist police organizations outside of the Deep South. They were busy talking about how those dumb kids could be killed and the traffic they caused affected ambulences and some patient almost died.

off supply lines to financial districts or big corporations and put economic pressure on them

Again, using BLM as an example… Don’t you want to have those corporations SUPPORTING the BLM movement? I mean, unless your protest is laser-focused on anti-capitalism, hurting businesses for no good reason just alienates the 99% of the population that isn’t Tankie.

That same topic about “educating people how to protest” is “pick ONE thing you want to change, or your protest doesn’t have a meaningful message”. If you’re protesting for the environment or protesting for women’s or gay or trans or minority rights, you shouldn’t be protesting against businesses. You should be recruiting them. I wanna walk into the office (after no traffic jam) and see someone having anonymously put up “Gay rights are human rights” posters everywhere. I want my place of employment to offer to match donations for these causes. Etc.

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