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This is misleading. They made each of the different denominations of Christianity a separate group, but atheists, agnostics, and people who believe in a higher power but don’t belong to any specific religion are all lumped together.

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Exactly. If you believe in a monotheistic god and venerate Jesus but say you aren’t affiliated with any Christian church, you are a ‘none.’

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46 points

The real statistic here is that people have stopped going to church.

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Well it’s a step in the right direction I guess

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Mate…

Go tell a Catholic and a Protestant that they’ll the same religion and see what happens.

They tend to have a pretty big history.

And where do you want to draw the line for “same”?

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all worship the same God.

The one that Abraham heard in his head that told him to kill his brother, then told him to kill his son but at the last second changed their mind.

They have minor disagreements on prophets and what food is allowed, but they’re worshipping the same god a (likely schizophrenic) guy over 2,000 years ago said he could hear in his head.

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Agnostics and atheists are as different as Catholics and Protestants are. Which is to say for the purposes of good statistics, not very.

Adding people who believe in a God but not necessarily any particular God in the same group as people who believe in no God at all would be akin to saying Hindus and Christians belong in the same group.

This is bad statistics. It’s value hacking to get a desired result.

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Adding people who believe in a God but not necessarily any particular God in

Do you think thats what agnostic means?

Because that’s not what it means…

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Two toddlers who hate each other getting mad when they’re put in the same group does not mean they’re not the same.

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If I asked a Protestant and a Catholic in my country they’d certainly say they’re part of the same religion.

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In my personal experience, this really depends on the context. Most of the time what you say is true. However they are as opportunistic as anything else. If you are discussing things that point to the division of sects as a weakness, or how demographics don’t stack up to other because of the division of sects (like in this article), suddenly they are perfectly fine with every other sect being the same religion.

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Ask a very devout US Catholic if they believe in evolution or the Big Bang. Their views are aligned with the Protestant-derived churches around them.

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It’s misleading for certain purposes, but no purpose is implied by the headline. For some purposes it would be equally as misleading to categorise Mormons with Catholics. The denominations don’t collectively act as a bloc on many issues/topics

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This is misleading.

What you point out is mentioned in the article, so how is it misleading?

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ill believe it when they vote that way. how many atheist politicians? if its more than 1 ill be shocked

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I believe 8 states still have “unenforceable” laws preventing atheists from holding office. Kinda wild.

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I’m atheist and the article says we’re more likely to care about politics. Checks out. I strongly encourage voting, even though Dems are a letdown. But ranked choice voting would be a step in the right direction.

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What politicians say and what they actually believe is often likely different. For example, how many believe Trump is Christian?

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yes this is a good point… kinda. valid, and disappointing as it reinforces the fact they still have to fake it to get elected

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Of course Trump is Christian. He’s the Antichrist. It would be pretty fucking weird if the Antichrist was an atheist.

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I know one! She’s on a local city council.

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To get to these numbers, people who identify as “nothing in particular” are lumped in with atheists and agnostics. Without that, this group is pretty small. However, they may believe in some kind of god. There’s accusations of hypocrisy that atheists are happy to include this group to pump the numbers, but are less welcoming when they learn their actual beliefs.

Still, this atheist does think this represents an important step in removing religion from its dominant position in society.

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It’s not none but it’s not something you go and tell everyone, it’s not good politically.

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Only 3,300 surveyed? Come on, Pew, get those numbers up.

Still a good sign.

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3,300 is actually a relatively large sample size.

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For denominational preferences across the US? Respectfully disagree.

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Statistical analysis 101. You don’t really get to have you own opinion.

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….that’s a very large sample size and way more than enough for accuracy.

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Soon we’re going to have to add techbros as their own religion. I swear they’re going to start praying to the machine spirits soon.

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From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine.

Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day, the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you.

But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal. Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.

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Tell that to the landfills full of machines.

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not me tho im different 😏

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5 points

Heresy!

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Blood for the blood god!

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I love comments like this that have essentially nothing to do with the OP, but reveal to us the exact unrelated thing the commenter was mad about in that moment.

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Have you not listened to how they talk about the singularity, transhumanism, effective altruism, AI, “”“rationalism”“”, and all that shit?

They are religious, even if they don’t self identify that way. You can tell because they reinvented Hell as a spooky AI torment nexus.

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I’m not saying your opinion isn’t valid, I’m just noting your compulsion to share your opinion even when it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation everyone else is having.

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Haven’t you heard? They’re called “Digital Nomads” now.

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