I did a search from shitjustworks for “reddit die” and did not find https://lemmy.world/c/watchredditdie so I made https://sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie (unnecessarily). This should really not happen. When someone makes a community there should be a “ping” sent out to notify all other federated instances.

And from what I know, if I post to !sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie only users on sh.itjust.works will see the posts until other people from other instances randomly come across it somehow and subscribe? This really needs to be improved.

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I don’t think it’s bad thing that content is hidden.

To me, it’s comforting to think of cyberspace as being kind of like the real world. And in the real world, there’s distance. You can be near or far from things. You can travel, and the longer you travel the further you go. Things percolate through at a steady pace, and so everything’s not perfectly mixed but there are different zones with things going on.

When we had cyberspace shown to us in Snow Crash or Disclosure or NetRunner, it was always a space. Like a second world you could go live a life in.

I know it’s a loose connection, but I like how, in order to discover more instances I might have to travel to neighboring instances and then from there to others. Like each user you hear from has an instance in their username. That’s a way to discover instances.

And having redundant communities? That’s a great idea. Then you get that separation and divergent/recombinant evolution in those communities too.

Just a thought. As we add features, and remove constraints, from lemmy, we make serious architectural choices that will affect the way it feels and acts as space for communities to grow in.

We call it a Fediverse not a Fedidatabase. A ‘verse is a place you go through, at a speed, taking time. A ‘verse is a vast and wide place.

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A good implementation would be a warning at the creation of a community. Lemmy looks if a community already exist on the instances and display them. It would be on top of a better search.

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There is a design conflict between on the one hand having the capability to locate and reach all instances of a thing, and on the other hand having those things be freely available to people.

This is, incidentally, why pro-2A people are so opposed to the idea of a gun registry.

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I’m not understanding what the conflict is between being able to locate a thing and that thing being available for use.

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I didn’t say able to locate I said there being a list. But in that case being able to locate is a better term. And I didn’t say available I said freely available, which is an important distinction.

If a thing’s existence always includes a route to finding it, that constrains its existence. Barriers in adding to the list, or in whatever finding mechanism you use, become barriers to the creation of an instance of that thing.

That’s one problem. There are others too, but if we can’t agree on this one then we’ve no hope of discussing the others.

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I didn’t say able to locate I said there being a list.

Are you confusing comments?

I see this in the referred comment:

having the capability to locate

While the word “list” does not appear.

But mostly I think we should try to read the message, not focus on single words.

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Yeah there’s a tool called LCB (Lemmy Community Boost but it’s not a perfect solution to this issue. A good idea would be to have something like that built right into Lemmy, where instances can have an internal account that will look for and subscribe to communities which opt into discovery.

Soemthing like how the join-lemmy site works where it finds instances, but for communities. Obviously this would need to be enabled and allowed by instance moderators, smaller instances and personal ones with limited space probably don’t want to pull from every community in the fediverse, but for larger ones, such a feature would be greatly beneficial.

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Yeah but have it be a feature of Lemmy itself and have it automatically look for communities and subscribe to ones that have a discovery setting enabled.

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Hopefully it will happen in the coming releases.

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If instances don’t want to federate with some or all other instances, that is their choice, and that’s on purpose. Some just want to have smaller communities, stronger moderation, and sometimes be entirely private.

If you’re looking for instances that federate with most, you should choose yours accordingly. And I think you won’t have an issue with that, because most popular instances chose to go this route.

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This is not about federation between instances. It’s about how community discovery within federated instances works. Currently it’s definitely sub-par.

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