You drove and pulled up to the gas station to fill your gas tank. You exited your vehicle, opened your gas tank cover, grabbed and put the dispenser nozzle in. You also had to pay at some point.

How can you forget that the hose is still connected to your car when you drive off?

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How can you forget that the hose is still connected to your car when you drive off?

I think the key step here is to not remember it.

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tired, distracted. Drunk and/or high and needing munchies.

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Or you just have adhd. I have a habit of doing 3 checks before driving off so this doesn’t happen to me. One as i get into the car, one look in my side mirror, and one look at the pump to make sure the handle is back in its place, and I’ve almost driven off without putting it back still.

One moment you’re pumping gas, the next you’re already switched into gear, whatever happened between those two is anyone’s guess.

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Thanks for the responses.

TIL: Americans pay first, then fill. Now I can understand how you could easily get distracted once it is in and locked.

To clarify : this is absolutely impossible to accidentally happen in the EU, because the payment transaction isn’t completed until the nozzle is placed back onto its support (that’s when the pump shuts off).

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So are Europeans just more honest and ethical than Americans? Or do all gas stations have better theft prevention systems? In the US, there is often 1 cashier managing 12 pumps AND ringing up vice sales (cigarettes, lottery tickets, junk food). In some states there a pumps with no human on site at all.

What’s to stop someone from driving off after filling up in the EU?

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In the UK, petrol stations almost always have CCTV monitoring pumps, and can use number plates to identify anyone who leaves without paying. Probably similar in the EU I would think.

That said, it’s also increasingly common to have a pay at the pump system, where you have to use your credit/debit card before you can fill up, with the amount being taken off automatically based on how much fuel you used.

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How did it work before automated monitoring?

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What’s to stop someone driving cross-country or even just for a 1-off fill up and wearing a hat and glasses and covering their plates with cardboard and tape right before coming and going?

E: someone else in the thread mentioned an attendant will make sure they can see people’s faces before starting the pump

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In all EU countries I drove trough, the pump doesn’t auto-start when you unhook the nozzle from the pump. I think the cashier has to manually allow it to start, from their control system/computer.

So I suspect they glance at clients through the shop’s window/cameras, and they don’t start the pump if you look shady (hooded, no plates on vehicle) and they suspect you may run it off.

For example if you ride a motorbike, the cashier sometimes doesn’t start the pump until you remove your helmet / uncover your face (allowing cameras to see your face).

And yes, after filling-up you then need to go pay at the desk. There can be a waiting line if there are more pumps than open cashdesks.

You could easily tank then gun it. But there are cameras everywhere. They have your face & plates.

there a pumps with no human on site at all.

For these we need to swipe a payment method before the pump starts. It locks a sum on your card, say 200EUR, and when you hook the nozzle back it adjusts the payment transaction to only the amount consumed and debits you.

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Probably a combination of better theft deterance, and peoples expectations for convenience. In NZ there’s a mix of some stations that let you fill before paying, and some that don’t. When some stations first started operating on the pay first model it felt really inconvenient and annoying, so I guess it’s also a way to compete with other stations apart from price. Some stations will probably eat the cost of theft if it results in better sales.

Also probably that there’s other types of crime that are more popular in Europe. Maybe because registering a vehicle is more of a hassle in many countries there than in many states in the USA? So criminals are less inclined to do crimes that will get thier vehicle wanted from cctv footage, unless they can easily steal some plates from another vehicle.

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It’s also impossible in India because they pump it for you and you’re not even allowed to do it yourself

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That doesn’t make it impossible. Nozzle finishes, then you drive off before the attendant removes it. Quite possible.

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That’s how it is or was in many places in the US. Not many states do it anymore.

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I think it’s only New Jersey now. It used to be Oregon also but I think late last year they removed that requirement.

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A lot of pumps in the US don’t shut off until the nozzle is placed back on the hook, at least if you pay at the pump. It’s possible that the pump could shut off if you prepay with cash and it hits the amount that you paid, but that’s not as common these days. It used to be possible to pay with cash after pumping, but that’s basically been phased out.

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What do you mean by the transaction isn’t complete? Does it hold your card until the nozzle is put back, or do you pump then pay after?

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Your not thinking about it. Muscle memory.

Something distracts you, a phone call, a loud sound, kids, suddenly remembering a urgent matter. You forgot where you were in the process and just skip a step.

Human nature. The same reason drivers can just run into a wall, car and train! Routine becomes ignore and you just forget / zone it out

This is why almost self driving cars are so dangerous. They will throw people into responsible driving mode and they won’t have been paying attention.

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Super tired and defeated from your daily grind

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I don’t know. In my country no gas can be paid unless the nozzle has been placed back. The machine registers as “still pumping”, and the gas station attendant sees this and cannot process the payment. Why you would do this any other way baffles my mind.

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Why you would do this any other way baffles my mind.

It used to be common to pay after in America decades ago. But paying after means you can drive off without paying. Stations calculated the cost of occasionally needing to reattach the hose VS the cost of more frequent theft. This was at the time when card payments at the pump became popular so the cash payer group that’s inconvenienced by the change got smaller anyways.

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Yeah, same here (most of Europe).

But I think Americans pay first then fill.

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