I’ve listened to the Poor Proles Almanac and they’re basically left-unity (anarchist) preppers. Their information is probably useful either way, though. I just started listening to It Could Happen Here, and the first episode is pretty cringe. Robert Evans is anti-Assad and thinks a Syrian civil war type scenario could happen here. He praises maidan coup fascist protesters (without mentioning their fascism or US backing). And of course, he thinks a collapse could be soon in 2019 and a lot of crazy stuff has happened since, but no civil war. I’ll keep listening critically to see if he has anything decent to say, but not looking good. As the empire crumbles and climate change gets worse is a collapse scenario realistic?

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Personally i think this collapse mentality quite dangerous, because it is paralyzing, like lets all relax that capitalism will fall by itself.

One thing that we must acknowledged about capitalism is that it is resilient as fuck, and when in crisis it will turn to fascism, and in the particular case of u.s, the elements of fascism, being chauvinist, reactionary and mass, is already part of it’s culture by itself, the american exceptionalism, the ideas of the destiny manifest, the founding fathers and etc.

My take is, turn openly fascist, we are already seeing this on florida with it’s bizarre anti-trans laws, squeeze it’s “allies” even more, cause conflicts throughout the world to revitalize it weapons based economy.

civil war, i don’t think so, perhaps some pockets of armed resistance from the persecuted.

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We’ll have bread for a while, true, but how bout the circuses?

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One thing I’m wondering about with that, is what happens when the US public becomes too poor for Hollywood to market to them? What happens when foreign markets are their only target, because Americans don’t have the money for movies and tv anymore?

I can’t really imagine a US public that isn’t constantly glued to the tv, so I have no real idea what such a thing would even look like.

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Maybe that’s why the streaming services have started to strongly encourage viewers to go back to pirating.

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Honestly with our weak global supply chain and danger of climate change and diseases, along with “the market’s” terrible priorities, I wouldn’t be surprised if they keep cranking out marvel movies and TikToks while people are hungry and the streets of the imperial core.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if they keep cranking out marvel movies and TikToks while people are hungry and the streets of the imperial core.

The newest things in that comment are Marvel movies and TikToks. Unlike some countries, the U.S. doesn’t care about its people (unless they’re bourgeoisie)

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That’s the problem with just-in-time logistics and production. There are no reserves and no capacity to create them. It’s the same throughout the western world. I reckon it’s one of the reasons the western states were so shit through the pandemic. They couldn’t do what China did even if they wanted to. Simple lack of capacity. It was easier to give the appearance that politicians just didn’t care about people’s health, which comes with the added advantage of garnering even more support from the death cult half of the population.

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IMO one of the most important characteristics of this century will be the mass-migration of networked labor. For the first time ever, an immigrant worker can be in real-time contact with their friends and family back home. That makes every immigrant an ambassador for labor, a bridge between the unions of two countries. Global warming will force hundreds of millions to migrate by the end of this century.

When their unions become large enough and conscious of their power, they will be able to organize strikes that span continents. Imagine a strike against Tesla that shuts down not just the sales floors in the US, but the factory in Mexico, the lithium mine in Bolivia, and anybody else who makes any parts Tesla needs. The capitalists won’t know what hit them.

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As an outsider I think civil war would be unlikely just because the broader USA society already has a tendency of allowing fascists to do whatever they want because “it’s the law” anyway. I think they’re more likely to just go into full “how many deaths is it economically viable” again like they did with the Covid 1 Million while the media industry just goes

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Slow collapse is the most likely scenario and I’d say we’re probably in the middle of it right now.

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