I find the quality and variety of discussions on the fediverse to be lower than what I had on reddit. Lemmings have strong preconceived notions and little interest in changing viewpoints from new information. I think I’ll be switching back.
Edit: you’ll find that most of the comments deny any shortcomings of the culture and go directly to invalidating my opinions via character assassination. If lemmy was a community that actually stood for the ideals which it espouses it would take constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was intended. QED.
So you’re not a lefty. Lemmy says: fuck the fuck off you fucking fuck we fucking hate you. Source: left but not left enough.
This depends heavily on the instance. I have consistently received this attitude with users of a couple of specific instances. I now just ignore or instantly block those instance users whenever I see them.
That said. You come to a platform inspired from, designed on, and developed by left progressive ideals. You complain about the left. I can picture the pikachu face you’re making right now.
I get that. It’s just amusing that people think open source means free or there is a place where you won’t be silenced for dissent. We’re human and we will self select for positive feedback. Lemmy is no less a bubble than reddit or xtwitter.
Lemmy most certainly is less of an echo-chamer. There’s often good discussions and less toxic responses and blanket downvoting (not that it doesn’t happen).
Typically, heavily downvoted users are trolls, hateful comments, or categorically false claims/propoganda (which is why conservatives don’t like it). But there is still toxic bandwagon voting that suppresses dissenting opinions.
But to claim it’s on the same level as reddit is laughable. You can claim that lemmy is a “leftist” echo-chamer, but the important distinction is that the “right” do not hold themselves or their news sources to any standard or basis is reality.
Lemmy may be more leftist, but that doesn’t mean it’s an echo-chamer in the way reddit/conservative forums/subreddits are echo-chamers. And it sure as hell doesn’t mean the news/discussion is biased/false in the way it is among conservatives.
Not to mention, there are stark differences in the way extremism manifests and the propensity for violence between the right and left.
Lemmy isn’t an echo chamber. It can’t be because it doesn’t have an algorithmic feed so it’s not artificially boosting viewpoints based on engagement. There is simply more people who are more left-leaning than Reddit/twitter. The political posts aren’t self-reinforcing just really prevalent
Bye!
Yes. In addition, there’s a lot of hostility towards different viewpoints. Little acceptance that different takes are valid.
I’m not switching back, but I might not stay here either.
That happens in any online space. The internet is not a great place for that kind of discourse because it lacks the context that you have with people that you associate with in real life. When you talk about politics with a family member, coworker, or friend with who you have a disagreement with, you know the experiences that they had in life and led them to hold that belief and so you believe that their viewpoint is genuine and so you look to change their mind. Online the person on the other, you know nothing about so you are more likely to be frustrated with them and consider them a troll or political enemy.
The secret is knowing when to disengage with someone online because otherwise you will get jaded.
I think I’ll be switching back.
Not possible. The reddit that you’re longing for died a very long time ago. Subreddits are entrenched into their positions and will only berate you and bash you if you go against that grain.
What you’re describing here isn’t lemmy. It’s the internet in general.
Edit: Ohhhhhhhhhhh. This explains why you don’t want to be here. It’s not that this place is an echo chamber. It’s that you’re petrified of logic and fact.
Slapping the rails like this is exactly the lack of nuance that lemmy has. You’re either with us or against us. That’s not how people look at issues. What matters is how people are treated. I’m not going to vote for someone who harms people. Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario? Don’t even bother.
Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario?
You’re not being pragmatic. Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You’re taking a different option entirely. Inaction. That is why you aren’t respected for your political opinions.
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.” - John Stuart Mill (A quote butchered and falsely attributed to Edmund Burke)
How is contacting politicians and alerting people to key issues (that will cost the election) inaction? Inaction is plugging your ears and saying “nothing can be done to change the status quo”.
Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You’re taking a different option entirely. Inaction.
I will admit I fell into this during the first election cycle in which I could vote, which was 2016. I couldn’t stomach voting for Hillary after the Debbie Wasserman Schultz/DNC corruption with Bernie.
I dispised trump, but refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. Never again… I’m not a big fan of Biden, but I voted for him and I will eagerly do so again.
Ignoring everything else, Reddit also lacks nuance. Both of these forums live in a black and white world, and I agree that you’re either on their side or you’re against them.
I don’t agree with other things you’re saying but I really only wanted to comment on that one issue. There is no nuance.
You could try !conservative@lemm.ee
It at least pretends to be conservative
