person backing up his car exploitable with the following four panels:
- person looking ahead. the text below him says, “wow a cool software. let’s check out the community”
- screenshot with the text
Community
The main place where the community gathers is our Discord server. Feel free to join there to ask questions, help out others, share cool things you created with Typst, or just to chat. - hand on gear shift zoomed in, switching to reverse
- person looking behind with the text “nevermind”.
I can’t ditch discord. They won’t even let me in via browser because I “failed the captcha”.
(Not that they’d tell me this somewhere in their UI, this is the server response.)
my failed attempts at registering on discord:
- use temporary email: locked out
- use real email with VPN: locked out
- use real email without VPN and Firefox: locked out
- use real email, no VPN, le lion(brave): registered. join a community. community requires phone verification. deny it. locked out.
every damn time they require a phone number.
I’m not doubting that some servers do, but I’ve yet to run into one myself
Discord itself arbitrarily requires a phone number to register, which is already enough of a hurdle.
but why?
cant speak for everyone but there are the ever present provacy concerns of all your messages being scraped to feed LLMs and other data structures, and any monopoly for communications that develops is bad in principle. Also running a chrome app is a no for some people.
Your comment intrigued me as there is one that is just about the opposite of yours with a slightly different take.
You are concerned with your data being used to feed a private LLM. the other comment was concerned with three conversations being hidden from the public, more specifically not searchable from the outside and therefore hiding a knowledge repository.
I get both takes but they seem to be in conflict with each other. LLMs are important for accurate and useful AI, but there should also be a way for an open community to block them from consuming their data. It seems we missed a step somewhere. Providing data to an LLM should be opt-in.
Amongst many other reasons, my biggest is it’s not searchable by search engines.
If someone else is having the same problem as me with some software, and someone else has figured it out, it should show up on the first page of a Google search regarding it.
If it doesn’t, the tool the community is using is entirely unfit for purpose.
Open source communities should be all about tearing down walled gardens, not living in them.
Amongst many other reasons, my biggest is it’s not searchable by search engines.
That’s why we made forum.2009scape.org for our project. Yet the SEO is so bad that nobody finds anything we put there anyways.
At that point it still has an advantage over discord in that if I know it exists I can narrow the search on Google (if it’s still not showing up, then there’s a misconfiguration going on)
With discord I have to join the community and hope that discord search isn’t shit.
Oh and I’m not gonna install discord on my work laptop—so if I’m looking at something for work I’m shit outta luck
I don’t think you understand how terrible search engines are for niche communities. I’d bet most lemmy posts don’t show up. You’re far better off just joining the community and doing a search within discord than wasting your time scraping through bad search results.
If I know the community exists, I can narrow the search on Google
… Unless it’s on discord because in that case it’ll never show up
And if the community I’m looking for is regarding something I’m working on, I’m not putting discord on my work laptop, so shit outta luck
Amongst many other reasons, my biggest is it’s not searchable by search engines.
Well gee, I hope you don’t use texting, phone calls, emails, private forums, social media DMs, or talk to anyone IRL, because those aren’t searchable either!
This argument seems like reaching for something to complain about rather than having a legitimate problem with discord. If anything, you don’t like the “large group chat” paradigm, but that’s like hating a screwdriver because it’s not a hammer.
It would be nice if more people used Matrix. From my experience though it seems like not a lot of people check in on it regularly because the niche communities they follow are on Discord and even though bridges between Matrix and Discord do exist they are often neglected and fall of out sync.
It would be better if they used a web forum. It’s so easy to search in threads.
Like an independent forum or something like XDA Developers?
I feel like it really depends on the topic and level of engagement. I find traditional forums a bit hard to follow at times because of people branching off and bouncing around discussions. I might run into the same issue I do with Matrix channels where I’m not regularly checking in. Logging in is also another thing.
The issue with login ?
You just unlock your password vault and let it autofill.
There is an unofficial matrix room for typst. Join it and use it, and it will replace discord.
Typsts documentation is the documentation for their IDE. I have no idea why anyone would mix that.
Ever made a table in typst? It sucks. Latex tables are easier. As always, markdown is king.
instead of discord, people should use revolt which is a foss clone https://app.revolt.chat
Stay away from it as it is centralized and the moderation practices are questionable at best.
You can self host your own instance, no? https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted
