143 points

Ok.

I mean, it sucks to see art destroyed, but I guess if you bought it, you can destroy it.

If that upsets you, then maybe we should reconsider allowing art to fall into the hands of wealthy collectors. If it should be preserved for future art lovers and historians, then to quote a great philosopher of our time, “It belongs in a museum.”

I don’t know what it has to do with Assange.

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“To destroy art is much more taboo than to destroy the life of a person” - the artist doesn’t like how the world works and he wants to raise awareness. That’s what the connection is

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I understand the meaning of the quote, but if this artist said he was going to execute hostages, that would be an entirely different conversation.

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I think you might be missing the point. There is a life in danger, Assange’s. He’s forcing people to compare the value of human life to art. If he was executing hostages, you’d be comparing one human life to many.

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25 points

It depends on the country. In the US an artist has rights and deliberately destroying an artwork can get you sued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Artists_Rights_Act

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Rembrandt, Picasso, and Warhol do not have any rights anymore. They have all died.

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bravo

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And how would that compare, for you, to Julian Assange if he dies in prison ?

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11 points

These artists are all dead.

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2 points

What’s the reason for that? Tried googling but couldn’t find anything on the reasoning for the law

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>right to prevent distortion, mutilation, or modification that would prejudice the author’s honor or reputation

not exactly

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Additionally, authors of works of “recognized stature” may prohibit intentional or grossly negligent destruction of a work.

The very next line after the one you you quoted. Also look at the case studies of times people have been sued successfully.

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The fact this guy owns this art is actually kind of disappointing to me. I thought he was just picking a set of famous art and going rogue with it.

A terrorist, but instead of threatening blood only threatening the loss of priceless cultural artefacts. Going beyond mere property damage and loss of value, but still stopping short of violence.

Still a bold move on his part. More impressive, really. But somehow less exciting.

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Considering he could make forgeries (considering he has the perfect reference) and destroy those, increasing the fame of those pieces, and their value should he save the original… Something tells me that there’s too much financial incentive not to pull a stunt like that and sell the real paintings later.

Do I have any proof that’s what’s happening? No. But it’s not unrealistic.

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In the long run, none of us truly owns anything. We all share the same fate, Assange and this clown included. It’s a shame that this clown is holding western culture hostage to his terrorist demands. If he destroys the works, he’s no different than the Taliban or ISIS destroying pre-Islam archeological discoveries.

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none of us truly owns anything.

I guess that depends on your personal definition of ownership. Something constantly being challenged in the modern era.

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If you destroy privately owned art that the public couldn’t see, does it make a sound?

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The concept of private ownership is weird, if you think about it. It’s like penguins collecting stones they’ve found and not letting anyone come close

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When you describe it like that… I feel like it makes more sense. Like, of course the penguin is gonna want his safety stones. I buy that.

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Private ownership of things made by people is perfectly reasonable; the person who made the thing should own it and be able to sell or transfer it as desired. So a rock you found isn’t made by people, so yeah, but a painting, or a chair, etc, was.

It’s land that wasn’t made by people where private ownership gets really ridiculous.

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But where to keep all my stuff asked the guy eternally renting?

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I can relate to that, but even in this manner, most of the goods made are the result of vast investments of time efort and money of lots of peoples over decades, just for few individuals to be the owners of.

(Btw, English is not my main language)

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But land is literally the first form of property. Territory is defended in life’s history long before any moveable object.

If anything, the conception of certain objects as being part of a person’s territory is the stranger step to take.

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Yes a penguin that owns some stones would indeed not want other penguins grabbing them. Glad we’re on the same page with how private ownership works.

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I think they’re talking about art specifically. Like what’s the point of owning art if you ain’t showing anyone? And why should anyone care if ou destroyed art you weren’t willing to show it anyways?

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Yeah I know how it works. I said the concept is weird, but it benefit some share holders, so I guess we’ll have to live with it

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11 points

“I’m gonna destroy my toy collection if someone dies in prison”

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it’s not in the public sphere but your private collection, so you do you chap.

In my opinion privately owned art of a high enough cultural value should either not be allowed to be privately owned, or if it is then it should have to be on permanent loan to free admission public galleries. But that’s not the case.

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Yeah more government intervention is what the world needs.

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Yeah cause leaving companies and the super rich to self regulate has worked so well.

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So now we want to spend tax payer money keeping track of art? Fuck that lol

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But wealthy people need to buy those and store them in crates in overseas storage so they can dodge taxes!

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Most are in museums where all kinds of people stand in line to see them.

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That is absolutely not true. Museums themselves only display like 5-10% of their collection - the rest is locked away. Most art is in private storage

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Oh, are you a museum curator? Do you know why they do that?

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Its an interesting point that some historical art being destroyed is more upsetting than a person dying. Of course if we’re going to make this point, why Assange, and not, say, Gazans?

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why not both?

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